Can you tell me John, as no one else I've asked seems to be giving me an answer.
I gave you an answer, you just didn't want to hear it.
How does God coming down from heaven to be crucified by wicked men to appease his own wrath, save you?
As I've answered you already in the past, I'll answer you again, now.
Marhig, the Bible tells us that the penalty for sin is death.
God wants us to live with Him for eternity, but since He is holy, and man is not, and because man is not holy, God cannot allow man into His presense. (Prior to the Fall of Man in Genesis, God freely and openly fellowshipped with Adam and Eve, but once they fell, God had to forcibly remove them from his presence.) Therefore, God needed to find a way to reconcile man, His own creation, to Himself. But the only way to do that would be to pay the price for sin. (Jesus, while praying in Gethsemane, asked if there was any other way, to have the cup (of wrath) pass from Him, but if not, He would do the will of His Father.) So God the Father sent God the Son (who went willingly) to die for mankind.
Marhig, if you wanted to pay for something that has an infinite price tag? You would find something that has infinite worth.
Every person who has ever lived has infinite value, but they could only ever pay for their own sins, never the sins of any other person. Therefore, since God has infinite value (infinitely more than any man), in order to save all of mankind, and not just one, God Himself had to pay for all sin. God came as a man, to pay for men, and died as a man, to save all men, and in so doing, God's infinite value was applied to the infinite price of sin, and canceled it out. The debt was paid, and now man can have a relationship with God again on an individual basis (as opposed to the corporate relationship man could have through Israel, which was through a priesthood.
No man could do that, only the Son of Man (Jesus' new favorite term for Himself, where eternally He was the Son of God, now He's the Son of Man) who is God (the second person of the trinity) could pay the price.
That is why God had to come and die on the cross.
I answered your question. Now answer this, did you or did you not say:
God didn't need Jesus to die on a wooden cross to save, he needed him to be dead to the flesh to save and that's exactly what he was, dead to the flesh and alive in God preaching the word of truth and life and those who believe in him are saved from this world of sin and death through the power of the Spirit. His words are Spirit and they are life. No need for him to die to save. He lived to save, he was saving in his lifetime.
And then deny that you said it when confronted:
That sounds good, but it's coming from a false teacher. Jesus had to die on the cross to save mankind from sin.
HERE IS YOUR OWN QUOTE, YOU LIAR:
THOSE ARE YOUR VERY OWN WORDS, MARHIG. YOU DENY THE NECESSITY OF CHRIST DYING ON THE CROSS TO SAVE MANKIND. Not only does that make you a heretic, IT MAKES YOU A FALSE PROPHET.
More nice sounding things being said, still coming from a false teacher.
Tell me Marhig, why did Jesus die on the cross?
Tell me, Marhig, how does God HIMSELF becoming man and giving His own life to pay the price for sin not save you?
Read that again, I said that it doesn't say that Jesus had to die on the cross TO SAVE US. Show me where it says that Jesus had to die to save us?
I EVEN PROVIDED SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS CHRIST DIED TO SAVE US, AND YOU THEN REJECTED IT.
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die.But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—(For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous. - Romans 5:6-19
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans5:6-19&version=NKJV
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. - Philippians 2:5-8
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians2:5-8&version=NKJV
Firstly, none of those verses say that Jesus dying on the cross saves you, in fact they clearly say we are saved by his life! Which is what I believe! And whereas Adam brought death into the world, grace and righteousness will reign in life through Christ Jesus. We are saved by life not death.
Also dying for our sins doesn't mean that's how we are saved, Jesus came to this world to bare witness to the truth and help us who were sinners, and he was murdered for it, thus he died for our sins, he came and suffered even being murdered for preaching the gospel and baring witness to the truth. No where in those verses does it say that Jesus was crucified to save us. Jesus was murdered by wicked men under the influence of satan. That was nothing to do with God.
As for why Jesus died on the cross, Jesus came as a living sacrifice, and in doing so, he was willing to suffer whatever was set before him, even the cross. Whatever satan did to him, including crucifying him, Jesus had to bare it, this was the cup that he was given and in doing so and suffering it and denying satan and not letting sin in, he overcame the world and satan. Nothing satan did could make Jesus sin, including scourging and murdering him. He overcame his evil with good and love. He endured the cross and suffered it and overcame the world. And he is our perfect example to follow. We are saved through Christ Jesus, through the gospel by word of God if we truly believe, we are saved by the grace of God through faith and we are then to live by the will of God.
Jesus said, the he was born and came into this world to bare witness to the truth, and those who are of the truth hear his voice.
Yes, Marhig, they do say Christ Died to save us. You're just not paying attention to what's being said.
14. But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? 15. We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16. Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17. But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. 
