The cosmic microwave background.What was the source of the light on day one?
What reason do you have to back up your assertion that "six days" cannot mean what it plainly says?
The cosmic microwave background.What was the source of the light on day one?
Why should I move? It's crystal clear and you've provided no reason for me to move.
Not once have I called your false view heretical. You make SO MANY false accusations!
Every time we discuss the Bible, you show that you don't believe a thing that it says.
Believe as you like, you're clearly railing against God and His Word.
The cosmic microwave background.
What reason do you have to back up your assertion that "six days" cannot mean what it plainly says?
Would the cosmic microwave background support the plant life of day 3?
We know your opinion.Genesis plainly says six days. Those six days can be read as allegorical. We're not limited to a literal understanding.
Some appeals are to authority, whereas other appeals are to "authority".So you must appeal to authority to make any claims about the creation week.
What you're looking for is the fallacy of false appeal to authority (or appeal to false authority). The lexicon might be either, depending how good a lexicon it is.
An eyewitness of a murder is appealed to to convict the perpetrator. The witness is the best expert available on that particular crime. The problem, of course, comes when the defense attorney says the the witness meant something different than what he said. I don't know what that fallacy might be called.
He hasn't moved beyond 'because the Bible says so.'
What I'm trying to point out is that @annabenedetti has, so far in this thread, as much right to accuse you of false appeal to authority as you do her.
The Darwinist asserts that Genesis is "allegory." They say that plants could not have survived Day 3 without sunlight. However, even if this were a sensible objection — it's not because plants can thrive after being afloat for a year and go a day in the dark — but even were it halfway coherent, it would not be reason to call the Bible allegorical, it would be reason to call it wrong.God
duh
While holding the literal view is not a salvific issue, it is unchristian to hold that view, which is to say that the non-literal view is in contradiction to the Christian worldview. More accurately, it is in contradiction to the biblical worldview in that the early chapters of Genesis isn't the only place where the bible explicitly (i.e. not in figurative or in any sort of poetic language) affirms a six day creation.Thanks. He hasn't moved beyond 'because the Bible says so.' There is a long history of reading the creation account allegorically, or of at least allowing for both points of view without calling either heretical. The YEC's 'if you don't believe in a literal six day creation you're a bible despiser!' isn't as widely held as they'd like to think. I could respect the view of someone who personally believed in a literal six day creation but allowed there there were valid arguments for a non-literal reading of it and wouldn't call a non-literal view unChristian.
I don't know your position on the hydroplate theory espoused by many here, but those "many" would call Walt Brown an authority, though not an infallible one. Anna has the right to seek out authorities for her position, too. These might be rabbis, or Hebrew experts, or her uncle who told her bed-time stories as a child.@annabenedetti is appealing to "authority," whereas @Right Divider is appealing to authority.
Do you agree with her in calling people who oppose God's Word, "authority"?
So God's Word cannot be understood?not when you are talking about what meanings the words convey rather than what the words are.
I never said that it was. Why the false accusation?But your understanding of its meaning is not necessarily God's Word, nor even inspired.
Oh course I have. Does it have different requirements than regular science. Can an expert make a claim that is automatically considered true? NO. They have the same requirements as everyone else.Ever heard of medical science?
I guess that I have to be more clear for you. I assumed that you could understand plain English. Shame on me. I meant no normal human.Then your claim of "nobody" was incorrect.
I take the plain and obvious reading of the scripture as opposed to the twisted and often dishonest type.No, I'm rightfully pitting your understanding of the passage against someone else's, which you shouldn't fear if yours is true, meaning you would be able to have a meaningful conversation about it with them.
"I'll stick with God" is what everybody on these forums says when he's run out of other comebacks. And it always seems to mean they've stuck their fingers in their ears and won't listen or converse anymore.
There was nothing circular about my reasoning.You haven't moved from your initial circular reasoning.
You certainly implied it.I didn't say you did.
Because "day" has many meanings... duh.The cosmic microwave background.
What reason do you have to back up your assertion that "six days" cannot mean what it plainly says?
The difference is that we do NOT claim that Dr. Walt Brown is correct because he's an expert. We claim that his explanations are scientifically valid.I don't know your position on the hydroplate theory espoused by many here, but those "many" would call Walt Brown an authority, though not an infallible one. Anna has the right to seek out authorities for her position, too. These might be rabbis, or Hebrew experts, or her uncle who told her bed-time stories as a child.
We don't compare two sets of authorities, we compare their explanations of the facts. The literal six day creation of consistent with the facts throughout scripture, the "poetry/allegory/symbolism" story is not.It's no different than us saying "I'll stick with God," if someone has already had to translate the words for us or someone has to develop a system by which to understand the words. It's pitting our "authority" against hers. And that's ok--now let's find out how good her uncle was at telling stories. Let's compare the two sets of "authorities" to see which we should believe.
I don't know your position on the hydroplate theory espoused by many here, but those "many" would call Walt Brown an authority, though not an infallible one. Anna has the right to seek out authorities for her position, too. These might be rabbis, or Hebrew experts, or her uncle who told her bed-time stories as a child.
It's no different than us saying "I'll stick with God,"
if someone has already had to translate the words for us or someone has to develop a system by which to understand the words. It's pitting our "authority" against hers.
And that's ok--now let's find out how good her uncle was at telling stories. Let's compare the two sets of "authorities" to see which we should believe.
all the matter of the universe in one place that was spread out on day 4Thank you for a reply that sticks to the subject without getting personal.
What was the source of the light on day one?
Gen 1:3-5 (AKJV/PCE)What was the source of the light on day one?
There was nothing circular about my reasoning.
You certainly implied it.
That's because I'm right and you're wrong.We disagree.
Thanks for nothing.Anyway, thanks for the thread. It's been interesting.