annabenedetti
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The writer used the allegory of evening and morning. But if God created morning, or daylight, on the first day, why does it show God created the sun on the fourth day?
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Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1
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The writer used the allegory of evening and morning. But if God created morning, or daylight, on the first day, why does it show God created the sun on the fourth day?
annabenedetti
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I already did, and have continued with Jefferson. But I post the way I choose, not the way RD demands.
Time will tell.
Right Divider
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If you were in a dark room in a basement, would morning and evening still occur?
God knows what He's talking about; you don't.
Can God provide light without the sun? Yes, He can.
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Right Divider
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Nice try.... NOT!
7djengo7
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Since you claim God, by His phrase, "the evening and the morning," is not signifying the evening and the morning, please tell us what you imagine He is signifying by it.
It is written that God created the sun on the fourth day because that's when He created it: on the fourth day. When, according to you, did He create it? On what day?
Your fellow Bible-despisers, comrades, claim that the universe is 13 billions of years old, and that the sun is 4 billions of years old. So, their claim is that the universe is 9 billions of years (rather than just four days) older than the sun. But, if you think you need the sun in order to have one or more days, then surely you must think you need to have the sun in order to have one or more years, since you need to have days in order to have years. So, whence have your Bible-despising "scientists" got their 9 billions of pre-sun years?
7djengo7
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Well obviously! Seeing as how @Right Divider is prompting you to try to respond rationally and honestly to his challenge; whereas you, instead, choose to continue to just do you.
What are evening and morning supposed to be an allegory for?
annabenedetti
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A passage of time, not limited to a day.
Again, if God created morning, or daylight, on the first day, why does it show God created the sun on the fourth day?
ok doser
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If you assume it's allegorical, it's two passages of time, an evening and a morning. Does that make sense to you?
7djengo7
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Wait, don't you mean to say that it does NOT show God created the sun on the fourth day?
7djengo7
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You're going to tempt her to say that an evening is "a passage of time, not limited to an evening" and that a morning is "a passage of time, not limited to a day".
Right Divider
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What does evening represent allegorically?
What does morning represent allegorically?
Be specific.
In reality, evening and morning together represent a normal day.
annabenedetti
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I've already said it represents a passage of time not limited to a day. It's allegory arising from the Jewish concept of a day beginning with evening, which is why they mark the beginning of Sabbath at evening time. There was no concept of a clock, no concept of a new day starting at midnight. The allegory is about time before God's creation, and then after.
Why does it have to be a literal day? All in God's time, not ours.
Psalm 90:4: A thousand years in your sight
are like a day that has just gone by
Right Divider
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Indeed it represents one earth day. There is no reason to think that it is anything but that and you have given no reason to believe that it is anything but a normal day.
There is no allegory in this concept. That is your vivid imagination fooling you.
Red herring ... you're not giving any reason to believe that it refers to anything but a normal day.
Again, you are simply begging the question. There are exactly SIX of these "allegorical days", so what you just said makes no sense at all.
Here's why:
Exod 20:8-11 (AKJV/PCE)
(20:8) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (20:9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: (20:10) But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: (20:11) For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
There is clear and unambiguous. The days of Creation were SIX literal days.
So now you're taking figurative language and trying to make it literal. What a laugh!
So, according to you, the Creation was six thousand years long and the Israelites were supposed to work for six thousand years and then take a thousand years off.
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7djengo7
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So, Genesis 1 says that the heaven and the earth were created over a billions-of-years-long "passage of time, not limited to a day" and it's a fable? Got it.
Your "argument" is even dumber and more self-annihilating than the ravings of those God-haters who, while derisively calling the Bible "fable" and "fairy tale," are at least honest enough to admit the obvious fact that Genesis teaches a literal six-day, 24 hours/day creation of the heaven and the earth.
What's hobbling you is your self-righteous refusal to think carefully, rationally and believe the Bible Truth. Not some hobgoblin you've imagined of the TOL administrators licking their chops for an opportunity to silence you; that's just a conspiracy theory you've cooked up to try to excuse your failure at thinking.
annabenedetti
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To you, it doesn't make sense.
To the many Christians who see it as allegory, it does make sense.
Here's why:
Exod 20:8-11 (AKJV/PCE)
(20:8) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (20:9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: (20:10) But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: (20:11) For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
There is clear and unambiguous. The days of Creation were SIX literal days.
So now you're taking figurative language and trying to make it literal. What a laugh!
So, according to you, the Creation was six thousand years long and the Israelites were supposed to work for six thousand years and then take a thousand years off.
I didn't assign any time span to creation. I'm showing that God's time is not necessarily our time. God transcends our understanding of time.
Your usual derisiveness (it's the only way you know) deflects from the fact that you can't reconcile the fourth day creation of the sun with the first day creation of light.
By the way, do you believe that God spoke the words "let there be light?"
7djengo7
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On the contrary, yes you did. You assigned to it a time span ≠ six 24-hour days. And you know what they say about assigning.
Right Divider
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That because I'm a sensible and reasonable person, unlike yourself.
You could not make a compelling case for your belief so now you're back to fallacies. The appeal to popularity is a fallacious and therefore invalid "argument".
No, But God did.
Here it is again:
Exod 20:8-11 (AKJV/PCE)
(20:8) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (20:9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: (20:10) But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: (20:11) For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it
You've shown no such thing. You only imagined some vague notion.
Babbling claptrap.
Yes, I can reconcile it. God clearly says it. God already knew what the length of a day would be and that is how He described ALL SIX of them in Genesis 1.
Start another thread after you've actually make an argument to support your "not six days creation". Make sure to look at Exodus 20:8-11 again before you do.
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annabenedetti
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Whatever, RD.
Have the place to yourself then, so you can claim victory.
That's all you really wanted anyway, because if you were truly interested in this conversation, you wouldn't try so hard to sabotage it.
In other words, you can't reconcile it.
Right Divider
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I just tell the truth. That the truth is a problem for you is your own personal problem.Whatever, RD.
Have the place to yourself then, so you can claim victory.
False accusations are all the rage these days. I'll go with the old saying, "Put up or shut up".
In other words, more false accusations.
If you could make a case, we will evaluate it... but you don't even try. You just throw out the usual fallacious statements as if, one day, they will become true.
Again, here is the bottom line:
Exod 20:8-11 (AKJV/PCE)
(20:8) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (20:9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: (20:10) But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: (20:11) For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it
BTW, this is why the whole world works on a seven day week. There is no other explanation for the UNIVERSAL SEVEN DAY WEEK.
Come back when you want to get real and have a real discussion.