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CherubRam

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9.123 “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you”

9.73 “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.”

Surah 2, Contains the subject of war numerous times (Jihad). It is approved to be the solution to aggression when necessary. The following paragraphs are out of the Qur’an. (The Qur’an was written in Arabic, but translated in English by those who are Muslim and speak Arabic.)

“War is prescribed to you: but from this ye are averse.” (Sura 2:212).

“To participate in Jihad in Allah's cause” (Al Bukhari vol. 1:25)

Sura 2:187-189 “And kill them wherever ye shall find them, and eject them from whatever place they have ejected you; for civil discord is worse than carnage: yet attack them not at the sacred Mosque, unless they attack you therein; but if they attack you, slay them. Such the reward of the infidels...Fight therefore against them until there be no more civil discord, and the only worship be that of God: but if they desist, then let there be no hostility, save against the wicked.”

2:190-292 “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out: For tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they first fight you there; But if they fight you, Slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.”

2:193 “And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and let there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.”

2:216 “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. 217 They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: “Fighting therein is a grave (offense); but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members. Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be Companions of the Fire and will abide therein.”

2:244 “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah heareth and knoweth all things. 245 Who is he that will loan to Allah a beautiful loan, which Allah will double unto his credit and multiply many times? It is Allah that giveth (you) want or plenty, and to Him shall be your return.”

Many of these quotes should be self-evident what the meaning is. Of course they will be some that say that what they mean is not what they read like. Muslim clerics and their apologists are saying “the command to kill non-Muslims is not for today” it was only for a certain time. Where in the Qur’an does it say this? It does not say or teach the commands to kill the “infidels”, “unbelievers” “Jews” and “Christians” was only for a previous time. ” Nowhere. why should we accept this rhetoric? There is proof in the Qur'an that it is actually to continue and increase.

No doubt I heard Allah's messenger saying, “During the last days there will appear some young foolish people, who will say the best words, but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will leave the faith) and will go out from their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.” (Bukhari volume 9, no.64)

One of their Hadiths states about their own: Narrated Ikrima: The statement of Allah’s Apostle (Muhammad), “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.” (Hadith 9:45; 84.2.57.)

Sura 9:29-33 “Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in Allah, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which Allah and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth, until they pay tribute out of hand, and they be humbled.”

Sura 8:15 “O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers preparing for battle do not turn your backs to them. [Anyone who does] shall incur the wrath of Allah, and Hell shall be his home,- an evil dwelling (indeed)!”

Sura 8:57 “So if you gain the mastery over them in war, punish them severely in order to disperse those who are behind them, so that they may learn a lesson.”

Sura 8:65 “O Messenger! Rouse the Believers among you to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish two thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are people without understanding.”

Sura 8:67 “It is not fitting for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he has made a great slaughter in the land.”

Sura 6:157 “Or lest ye should say: "If the Book had only been sent down to us, we should have followed its guidance better than they." Now then hath come unto you a clear (sign) from your Lord,- and a guide and a mercy: then who could do more wrong than one who rejecteth Allah's signs, and turneth away therefrom? In good time shall We requite those who turn away from Our signs, with a dreadful penalty, for their turning away.”

Sura 8:12 “Remember your Lord inspired the angels with the message: “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”

“Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah. Whatever you spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid to you and you shall not be treated unjustly.”

“Take not the Jews and Christians for friends ... slay the idolaters [infidels] wherever ye find them. ...Fight against those who ... believe not in Allah nor the Last Day” (Sura 5:51; 9:5,29,41).

Sura 9:39 “If you do not fight, He will punish you severely, and put others in your place”

9:52 “…Allah will send His punishment from Himself or by our hands.”

The Qur’an teaches: Allah has given those that fight with their goods and their persons a higher rank than those who stay at home . . . The unbelievers are your sworn enemies . . . Seek out your enemies relentlessly . . . . You shall not plead for traitors . . . Allah does not love the treacherous or the sinful. (Dawood, Koran, pp. 367-68.)

“. . . kill the pagans wherever you may find them . . .”

Sura 4:74: “Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of Allah, - whether he is slain or gets victory - soon shall We give him a reward of great value.”

Sura 4:95 “Allah has granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit at home.”

Sura 9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you to victory over them, heal the breasts of the Believers.” Fight (kill) them (non-Muslims), and Allah will punish, (torment) them by your hands, cover them with shame. (Surah 9:14 at-Taubah 9:14)

Sura 9:78-83 “Know they not that Allah doth know their secret (thoughts) and their secret counsels, and that Allah knoweth well all things unseen? Those who slander such of the believers as give themselves freely to (deeds of) charity, as well as such as can find nothing to give except the fruits of their labor, and throw ridicule on them, Allah will throw back their ridicule on them: and they shall have a grievous penalty. 80 Whether thou ask for their forgiveness or not, (their sin is unforgivable): if thou ask seventy times for their forgiveness, Allah will not forgive them: because they have rejected Allah and His apostle; and Allah guideth not those who are perversely rebellious. Those who were left behind (in the Tabuk expedition) rejoiced in their inaction behind the back of the apostle of Allah: they hated to strive and fight, with their goods and their persons, in the cause of Allah: they said, “Go not forth in the heat. Say, “The fire of Hell is fiercer in heat.” If only they could understand! Let them laugh a little: much will they weep: a recompense for the (evil) that they do. If, then, Allah bring thee back to any of them, and they ask thy permission to come out (with thee), say: “Never shall ye come out with me, nor fight an enemy with me: for ye preferred to sit inactive on the first occasion: then sit ye (now) with those who lag behind.”

Sura 4:168: “Those who reject [Islamic] Faith, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to any path except the way to Hell, to dwell therein forever. And this to Allah is easy.”

Sura 9:123: “Believers! wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbours, and let them find you rigorous: and know that Allah is with those who fear him.” Hey neighbor how do you feel about this?

Infidels are those who worship any other but Allah. Yet I have heard Muslims claim Allah is the same God of the Old Testament. If so why are not the Jews and Christians accepted? The answer is clear, because they reject their apostle.

Sura 9:29-33: “Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in Allah, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which Allah and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth, until they pay tribute out of hand, and they be humbled. The Jews say, 'Ezra (Ozair) is a son of God'; and the Christians say, 'The Messiah is a son of God'. Such the sayings in their mouths! They resemble the sayings of the Infidels of old! Allah do battle with them! How are they misguided!..He it is who hath sent His Apostle with the Guidance and a religion of the truth, that He may make it victorious over every other religion, albeit they who assign partners to Allah be averse from it.”

Mohammed said: “No Muslim should be killed for killing a infidel.”(Hadith vol. 9:50) This means a non- Muslim.
 

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The Koran was not written until many years after Mohammad died. The Koran has been changed a number of times by the Mullahs.

Unlike the New Testament, which was written in the time of Jesus, and was never changed or altered in any way.
 

CherubRam

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Unlike the New Testament, which was written in the time of Jesus, and was never changed or altered in any way.
Christians are constantly complaining of Catholic tampering. Where have you been? The Hellenistic Jews are also guilty of tampering with scriptures. The disciples began writing the New Testament after Christ's ascension. The difference is that the Koran is a complete fabrication.
 

chair

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Christians are constantly complaining of Catholic tampering. Where have you been? The Hellenistic Jews are also guilty of tampering with scriptures. The disciples began writing the New Testament after Christ's ascension.

Tampering with what? When was the earliest recognized New Testament Canon? Who decided what was in the NT?

The difference is that the Koran is a complete fabrication.
uh-huh
 

Dennyg1

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And so Mohammed did not know the name of the God of Abraham. What Arabs have forgotten, is that because the Hebrews and Arabs are descendants of Abraham, they both had spoken the same language at one time.

Yes. But that was hundreds, maybe even thousands of years before the story of Abraham was written down

The New Testament scripture of Matthew 22:37 repeat’s Deut. 6:5. If this verse were represented in Hebrew, it would, show YHWH, not Allah as the one you should love as the God of you. The translations clearly show that LORD is a substitute for the word Yahwah.
"Before Islam existed, the name Allah was used by Arab Christians and Jews to refer to the one true god. “As Hebrew and Arabic are closely related Semitic languages, it is commonly accepted that Allah (root, ilāh) and the Biblical Elohim are cognate derivations of same origin, as is Eloah, a Hebrew word which is used (e.g., in the Book of Job) to mean ‘(the) God’ and also ‘god or gods’ as is the case of Elohim. Elohim and Eloah ultimately derive from the root El, ‘strong’, possibly genericized from El (deity), as in the Ugaritic ’lhm (consonants only), meaning ‘children of El’ (the ancient Near Eastern creator god in pre-Abrahamic tradition). In Jewish scripture Elohim is used as a descriptive title for the God of the scriptures whose name is YHWH, as well as for pagan gods."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

Jesus is reported to have cried out in Aramaic: ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI? If Allah was valid, how come Jesus called out in Aramaic "Eloi;" Although those who have translated the Bible into Arabic used Allah as a term for God
I don't understand your confusion. You just explained it. Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Arabic.
"And what about the 10 to 12 million Arab Christians today? They have been calling God ‘Allah’ in their Bibles, hymns, poems, writings, and worship for over nineteen centuries. What an insult to them when we tell them not to use this word ‘Allah’! Instead of bridging the distance between Muslims and Christians, we widen the gulf of separation between them and us when we promote such a doctrine. Those who still insist that it is blasphemy to refer to God as Allah should also consider that Muhammad’s father was named Abd Allah, ‘God’s servant,’ many years before his son was born or Islam was founded!
—excerpted from Building Bridges by Fouad Accad (Colorado Springs, CO: Navpress), p. 22.

He claims that Elah, a Hebrew Bible name, is the same as ILAH in Arabic. There is just one problem. Nowhere in the Hebrew Bible is Elah the name of God. It is the name of a man and the name of an oak tree.
"In the Hebrew Bible there are four words translated "God": El, Elah, Elo'ah, Elohim."
http://www.hebrew-streams.org/works/monotheism/context-elohim.html
 

CherubRam

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Tampering with what? When was the earliest recognized New Testament Canon? Who decided what was in the NT?


uh-huh
The Catholic Church had the last say.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Latin Fathers

The first council that accepted the present Catholic canon (the Canon of Trent) may have been the Synod of Hippo Regius in North Africa (393); the acts of this council, however, are lost. A brief summary of the acts was read at and accepted by the Councils of Carthage in 397 and 419.[28] These councils were under the authority of St. Augustine, who regarded the canon as already closed.[29] Pope Damasus I's Council of Rome in 382, if the Decretum Gelasianum is correctly associated with it, issued a biblical canon identical to that mentioned above,[25] or if not, the list is at least a 6th-century compilation.[30] Likewise, Damasus' commissioning of the Latin Vulgate edition of the Bible, c. 383, was instrumental in the fixation of the canon in the West.[31]

In 405, Pope Innocent I sent a list of the sacred books to a Gallic bishop, Exsuperius of Toulouse. When these bishops and councils spoke on the matter, however, they were not defining something new, but instead "were ratifying what had already become the mind of the Church."[32] Thus, from the 4th century, there existed unanimity in the West concerning the New Testament canon (as it is today),[33] and by the 5th century the East, with a few exceptions, had come to accept the Book of Revelation and thus had come into harmony on the matter of the New Testament canon.[34]
 

CherubRam

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Yes. But that was hundreds, maybe even thousands of years before the story of Abraham was written down


"Before Islam existed, the name Allah was used by Arab Christians and Jews to refer to the one true god. “As Hebrew and Arabic are closely related Semitic languages, it is commonly accepted that Allah (root, ilāh) and the Biblical Elohim are cognate derivations of same origin, as is Eloah, a Hebrew word which is used (e.g., in the Book of Job) to mean ‘(the) God’ and also ‘god or gods’ as is the case of Elohim. Elohim and Eloah ultimately derive from the root El, ‘strong’, possibly genericized from El (deity), as in the Ugaritic ’lhm (consonants only), meaning ‘children of El’ (the ancient Near Eastern creator god in pre-Abrahamic tradition). In Jewish scripture Elohim is used as a descriptive title for the God of the scriptures whose name is YHWH, as well as for pagan gods."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah


I don't understand your confusion. You just explained it. Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Arabic.
"And what about the 10 to 12 million Arab Christians today? They have been calling God ‘Allah’ in their Bibles, hymns, poems, writings, and worship for over nineteen centuries. What an insult to them when we tell them not to use this word ‘Allah’! Instead of bridging the distance between Muslims and Christians, we widen the gulf of separation between them and us when we promote such a doctrine. Those who still insist that it is blasphemy to refer to God as Allah should also consider that Muhammad’s father was named Abd Allah, ‘God’s servant,’ many years before his son was born or Islam was founded!
—excerpted from Building Bridges by Fouad Accad (Colorado Springs, CO: Navpress), p. 22.


"In the Hebrew Bible there are four words translated "God": El, Elah, Elo'ah, Elohim."
http://www.hebrew-streams.org/works/monotheism/context-elohim.html

Allah is not a name or concept of God in the bible, and Yahwah is not in the Koran. It is simple as that.
 

CherubRam

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Unlike the New Testament, which was written in the time of Jesus, and was never changed or altered in any way.

Christians who are well studied in scriptures are aware of Pagan corruptions. For example; the worship of Jesus is a basic violation of what is written, and does not agree scripturally. The New Testament scriptures that do not agree with Orthodox Judaism are Pagan corruptions added by the Pagans.
 

Apple7

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Christians who are well studied in scriptures are aware of Pagan corruptions. For example; the worship of Jesus is a basic violation of what is written, and does not agree scripturally. The New Testament scriptures that do not agree with Orthodox Judaism are Pagan corruptions added by the Pagans.

Say what...?

Yahweh came in human form in the OT, and was worshiped as such.
 
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time... 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Galatians 1

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 14

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
 

CherubRam

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1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time... 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Galatians 1

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 14

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

There are no Christians that deny Christ came in the flesh, only Orthodox Jews do that.
 

CherubRam

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Because Yahweh refused to curse the Jews? DO you even understand the status of Jews in the Qur'an?

Were you the one who lamented the level of stupidity and nonsense in these forums?

I sympathize with you.

Now when Elohiym was in the Kaaba pantheon, there came the King of Moab called Balak; and it was Balak who wanted the prophet Balaam to ask Elohiym to curse the Jews, but Elohiym refused to curse the Jews.

(For more info see Numbers 22 through 24:25 in the bible)
 

egyptianmuslim

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Allah is not Yahwah

Allah is a phase of the sun, translation "The Dawn", interpretation: Morning Star or Rising Sun. Allah is the contracted form from Alilah, {Al il ah} and the transliteral is this: The/god/ascends. The reason for the confusion is because the word "Allah" is borrowed from the Chaldean language. It is not an Aramaic word. More than two thousand years ago the Aramaic word for God was El, and "Elah," and “Il” and “Ilah,” which means “God” and “The God."

Note: Aramaic and ancient Hebrew did not use the letter e for a vowel.

As tradition has it, it was Abraham and Ishmael that built the Kaaba as a house for Elohiym, but as time went on other gods were introduced and placed in the Kaaba. Now when Elohiym was in the Kaaba pantheon, there came the King of Moab called Balak; and it was Balak who wanted the prophet Balaam to ask Elohiym to curse the Jews, but Elohiym refused to curse the Jews.

(For more info see Numbers 22 through 24:25 in the bible)

At some point in time afterward, Elohiym, the God of Abraham was cast out of the Kaaba by the Arabic people, and His name was cursed and not to be ever spoken. During that time Chemosh was made the head of the Pantheon in the Kaaba. Chemosh means Highest Power, and is also a phase of the sun at midday; it is Allah who becomes Chemosh at midday.

And so Mohammed did not know the name of the God of Abraham. What Arabs have forgotten, is that because the Hebrews and Arabs are descendants of Abraham, they both had spoken the same language at one time.

The New Testament scripture of Matthew 22:37 repeat’s Deut. 6:5. If this verse were represented in Hebrew, it would, show YHWH, not Allah as the one you should love as the God of you. The translations clearly show that LORD is a substitute for the word Yahwah.

Jesus is reported to have cried out in Aramaic: ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI? If Allah was valid, how come Jesus called out in Aramaic "Eloi;" Although those who have translated the Bible into Arabic used Allah as a term for God.

According to The New Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the definition of Eloi is as follows: Eloi is of Aramaic origin, and is the Aramaic phrase "my God". God has many name titles, but Yahwah is the only "true" personal name of God.

Note: Babylonia, Babylonian: ( Bavili / Babili ) in the Akkadian language of the time, meant "Gate of the gods." Babili, a contracted word for "gate of the gods"; ending in "li", forming a double "LL" sound for the word "gods".

Using Ahmed Deedat's booklet, "What is His Name." On page 25 of Deedat's book, he gives a list of the names of deities in Hebrew, English, and Arabic.

He claims that Elah, a Hebrew Bible name, is the same as ILAH in Arabic. There is just one problem. Nowhere in the Hebrew Bible is Elah the name of God. It is the name of a man and the name of an oak tree.
(Pictorial Ency. of the Bible, Zondervan, Grand Rapids, MI, USA, Vol. 5.)

"Elah" means "gods above" in the old Aramaic. We are grateful to Ahmed Deedat who has helped us identify Allah by admitting that "ILAH" is the root name for Allah.

The complete name of Allah before it is contracted is "AL-ILAH."
(Hitti, Philip, History of The Arabs, London, 1950 , 8 ,) "ILAH" is the masculine root word for Allah, or "god", in Arabic. "AL ILAT" is the feminine resulting in Allat.

Who is God?
 

CherubRam

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No.

Yahweh has always revealed Himself as Triune.

Even the authors of the Koran copied this into their opus.

Where have you been...?

Our scriptures that show a trinity have been corrupted by Gnostics and Pagans. Those notions are not in the original text.
 

Dennyg1

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Agreed.

The best Arabic lexicons prove this out...as the term 'allah' is shown to be derived from the same exact root word as the pagan Arab idols, up to, and including, the great serpent - of which, we know to be Satan, himself.

There are actually Koranic ayat which also paint 'allah' as the devil....along with suras narrated by, and named after, demons!
Elohim has the same pagan roots. In fact El was THE chief Canaanite deity.
"The word Elohim occurs more than 2500 times in the Hebrew Bible, with meanings ranging from "god" in a general sense (as in Exodus 12:12, where it describes "the gods of Egypt"), to a specific god (e.g., 1 Kings 11:33, where it describes Chemosh "the god of Moab", or the frequent references to Yahweh as the "elohim" of Israel), to demons, seraphim, and other supernatural beings, to the spirits of the dead brought up at the behest of King Saul in 1 Samuel 28:13, and even to kings and prophets (e.g., Exodus 4:16).[3] The phrase bene elohim, usually translated "sons of God", has an exact parallel in Ugaritic and Phoenician texts, referring to the council of the gods.[3]"

Elohim translated:

Aramaic: ʼĔlāhā
Syriac: Alaha
Arabic: ʾIlāh

Aramaic was the spoken language of Jesus' region around this time. Syriac, or Middle Aramaic, was the specific dialect used by many Christian churches starting in 100 AD. From 100-300 AD almost all Christians east of modern Lebanon wrote and used this language.

Your confusion is coming from the fact that both Elohim and Allah have different meanings in the Hebrew Bible when subtle changes are made

Elohim capitalized and ʾIlāh [Allah in English] refer to 'the one' God.
elohim and alīha are plural and refer to any other gods, demons, etc.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
 
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