That's not what it says.
(Heb 7:12) For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
"The Law" refers to the whole law, not just one particular part of it.
All the Feasts are fulfilled? That's Full Preterism!
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That's not what it says.
(Heb 7:12) For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
"The Law" refers to the whole law, not just one particular part of it.
JonahofAkron
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Only to be destroyed later by Jesus....Oh, Tet.
Because no one can keep it. It's impossible to keep it.
The law was a schoolmaster to show us we need a Savior because we can't keep it.
Only faith in Christ Jesus makes us righteous before God. Trying to keep the law does not make you righteous before God:
(Gal 3:11) Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because "the righteous will live by faith."
JonahofAkron
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Incorrect. It is specific to the priesthood. The previous clause makes it obvious.
Yes.
That's the only way you can be made righteous before God.
It was His perfect faith, His perfect righteousness that is the only way you can be made righteous before God.
And, it can only be done by faith, not by trying to keep the law.
jzeidler
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He was still in the Jewish economy. He had to do those in order to be a good Jew. But when the cross happened the Jewish economy got destroyed. Thus we do not have to keep them because Jesus kept them for us.
JonahofAkron
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Just so I'm clear, you're saying that God created something for us that He had no intention of us actually being able to do? I wonder how his statements about it not being too difficult in Deuteronomy 30 or 31 or whatever.
Is that how normal schoolmasters work? They teach you all of things that you can't possibly do? Or is it that they incrementally teach you the things that lead to the next lesson, all things building on the previous teachings so as to produce an educated person? You have strange beliefs.
Something we can agree on.
JonahofAkron
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In order to be a good Jew?! He did those things because they are part of Him-if He is the Law (Word) made flesh, those things are His very nature. And again, if the Jewish economy was destroyed, why didn't Peter and Paul and the rest of the apostles get the memo; they still lived Jewish lives.
JonahofAkron
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I never said that keeping the Law made you righteous-that's your belief about me. I believe that His keeping of the Law certainly gave us grace so that when we mess up, we are forgiven.
SaulToPaul 2
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Per Tet, the implementation of the new covenant:
Revelation 21King James Version (KJV)
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Revelation 21King James Version (KJV)
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
jzeidler
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No they didn't. They were told to eat "unclean" creatures, ate with Gentiles, and didn't feel the need to observe feasts and sabbaths. Paul said he was all things to all men. He would live like a gentile to win them over to Jesus.
JonahofAkron
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Proof? All of this is unsubstantiated and had been addressed. Feel free to rescue what has already been said.
Drake Shelton
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Jesus defines what fulfill means:
Paul says the sabbaths ARE, present tense, shadows of things to come IN THE FUTURE!
Col 2:16 Let no one therefore judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths –
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of what is to come – but the Body of the Messiah.
Drake Shelton
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Sir, you could not have stepped on your tongue any harder. He says they ARE, present tense shadows of things to come, IN THE FUTURE. On your interpretation he should have said, These WERE shadows of things in the past.
Drake Shelton
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The administration of the priesthood changed when the Tabernacle dissolved into the Temple system which was very different. 2 Chron 5. Yet, it wasn't called a moral change of the law.
Drake Shelton
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1 John 2:6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.
(Col 2:17 NIV) These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
The most important part of the verse is the last part: "the reality, however, is found in Christ".
JonahofAkron
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The Law and Messiah are not in opposition to each other. Check that conjunction in Greek: it is not necessarily 'however'. And remember that the context is the gnostics telling the Colossians they shouldn't do the feasts...... Sorry of like you are telling others.
jzeidler
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Unclean creatures (acts 10:-16) eat with Gentiles (acts 10:17-48 & Gal 2:11-14) not keeping holy days (Col 2:16) all things to all people (1Cor 9:19-23)
There you go.
jzeidler
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All the Feasts are fulfilled? That's Full Preterism!
The things to come was Christ and the cross. That's what the festivals were pointing to. Besides, I would rather fall in love with the substance not the shadow. What you want to do is equivalent to making out with a picture of your wife while she is standing in front of you. The shadow is meaningless, the substance is what counts.
The things to come was Christ and the cross. That's what the festivals were pointing to. Besides, I would rather fall in love with the substance not the shadow. What you want to do is equivalent to making out with a picture of your wife while she is standing in front of you. The shadow is meaningless, the substance is what counts.