Abortion Anyone?
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Jerry Shugart
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The only thing which can properly be described as being ridiculous is your confusion.
Do you really think that the founders of the USA wanted the abortion issue to be decided by just a few people who were not elected to anything?
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Replace the word abortion with homosexuality/pedophilia/pederasty, incest or bestiality and see how ridiculous your statement is Aar...ahem...Gerald.
Provide one quote (just one) where any of the Founding Fathers stated that immoral behavior should be left up to the respective States to decide.
I've never seen such a statement, and I'm a long time student of our Christian Founding Fathers. Maybe you'll have better luck.
Replace the word abortion with homosexuality/pedophilia/pederasty, incest or bestiality and see how ridiculous your statement is Aar...ahem...Gerald.
Provide one quote (just one) where any of the Founding Fathers stated that immoral behavior should be left up to the respective States to decide.
I've never seen such a statement, and I'm a long time student of our Christian Founding Fathers. Maybe you'll have better luck.
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Replace the word abortion with homosexuality/pedophilia/pederasty, incest or bestiality....
If murder should be allowed to be decided by the respective States, why shouldn't the above mentioned sins?
Replace the word abortion with homosexuality/pedophilia/pederasty, incest or bestiality....
If murder should be allowed to be decided by the respective States, why shouldn't the above mentioned sins?
Jerry Shugart
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Before abortion was legalized it was the states who had passed laws which forbid it.
Do you not even know this simple fact?
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Jerry Shugart
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Are you mot aware that not all states treat murder in the same way?
When a trail is underway it is the law which is on the books for a particular state which decide the issue, not laws passed by the federal government.
And yet you love your baby-killers Obama and Hillary, and hate the greatest pro-life president ever, Trump. You are a fraud and a hypocrite. Your vote for the Democrats puts the blood of those babies on your hands.
annabenedetti
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No she's not and no it doesn't.
And by the way, Trump is the worst. president. ever.
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
If murder should be allowed to be decided by the respective States....
Share that with your Trump ally Gerald Shugart, as he doesn't seem to be catching on quickly.
If murder should be allowed to be decided by the respective States....
Share that with your Trump ally Gerald Shugart, as he doesn't seem to be catching on quickly.
drbrumley
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Right on Lincoln!
Perhaps you could pull up a quote (just one) from the Founding Fathers showing that they believed that sinful behavior was a States Rights issue?
Speaking of Gerald: He stated this earlier:
The question of whether or not to make abortion legal should have been decided in each individual state and not by a handful of people who were not elected to anything.
A handful of men (many of them weren't elected officials) decided the issue back in the late 1700's. They wrote in the Declaration of Independence that the right to life cannot be taken away without due process, something that they stated again in the 5th and 14th Amendments.
drbrumley
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Well said!
annabenedetti
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Cultural Christians are still Christians, and they still overwhelmingly represent the majority of abortions obtained. Christians need to come to grips with that, and quit absolving themselves from blame for perpetuating the very thing they work against.
drbrumley
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You can't even ask a legit question.
Well, where do I start.The Berean said:
They intended for us to have liberty, to be a free people. The Federal Government was to be small. The states were to be thier own countries. Only centralized in the sense the Federal government can do its own just functions, which is protect the people and provide infrastruture. The Federal Government wasnt to have a National Education Association, an IRS, among other alphabet depts.
The states were to raise armies to lend to the federal government in case a state was attacked. For you attack one, you attack us all. The reason for the declaration of war. To be unified.
To worship God or not to worship God. Even God grants people that right. Some to glory, some to eternal damnation.
Among other things if I get time to get into it tomorrow. But thats a good start.
drbrumley
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Ok, what makes a christian a christian?
Jerry Shugart
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What has he done so far that makes him the worst?
Foreign Affairs?
Economy?
Exactly what?
annabenedetti
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As you well know, there are multiple answers to that, depending on what denomination you're talking to. But once a person has been baptized/accepted Christ as personal savior, whether OSAS or predestined or capable or incapable of sin based on their view of grace - they're a Christian. You don't get to take that away from them because in your mind they couldn't possibly be Christian while at the same time getting an abortion. They're Christian if they say they are, and you're unable to read their souls to say otherwise.
He is .. and I do not consider him prolife ... in the least. For him, it's simply a slogan.
annabenedetti
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Everything for him is weighed by whether it's politically expedient for him, if it makes him look good, if it gives him a boost over his rivals, if it makes the crowd roar, if it gives him more power, if it will keep people focused on him, if it makes the news, if it gives Fox & Friends shivers of adoration running up and down the place where their self respect used to be.