Abortion-a crying shame. (HOF thread)

[Art Deco]

Originally posted by justthickhuh

Listen to Germany's Aborition policy.
They have abortions only in the first trimester and they mandate Pro-Life counseling before an abortion can take place.
And that's a Socialist country!!
What the heck is wrong with us?

What's wrong with us? When the American Christian Church became complacent, apathetic, and disconnected with politics, the anti-God Secular Humanists stepped forward to gain control of the levers of power in America.

Politicians gave us supreme court judges... who gave us Roe vs. Wade. You get what you deserve. Wake up Church... :doh:

 

[ShadowMaid]

If only the church would wake up.... :cloud9:

 

[Granite]

Originally posted by Art Deco

What's wrong with us? When the American Christian Church became complacent, apathetic, and disconnected with politics, the anti-God Secular Humanists stepped forward to gain control of the levers of power in America.

Politicians gave us supreme court judges... who gave us Roe vs. Wade. You get what you deserve. Wake up Church... :doh:

Judging by the large pro-life rallies every Roe anniversay, plenty of people are awake. But as Bush correctly noted, the American public is not ready for abortion to be illegal.

 

[Art Deco]

Originally posted by granite1010

Judging by the large pro-life rallies every Roe anniversay, plenty of people are awake. But as Bush correctly noted, the American public is not ready for abortion to be illegal.

This is steaming load of horse manure...back in 1973 ...The American public was not ready for abortion to be legalized. Five (insane) supreme court justices rammed abortion down the public's throat.

 

[Granite]

Maybe yes and maybe no, but they're inured now. The Washington Times covered Bush's reaction to the Roe anniversary and he was very candid: a straight-up prohibition of abortion would not be tolerated today.

 

[Art Deco]

Originally posted by granite1010

Maybe yes and maybe no, but they're inured now. The Washington Times covered Bush's reaction to the Roe anniversary and he was very candid: a straight-up prohibition of abortion would not be tolerated today.

Not tolerated by whom? The Anti-God Secular Humanist pro-abortion Democrats? LOL, they'll get over it. Half the country is okay with overturning Roe vs. Wade. Bush, where's the courage of his convictions?... :doh:

 

[Granite]

Originally posted by Art Deco

Not tolerated by whom? The Anti-God Secular Humanist pro-abortion Democrats? LOL, they'll get over it. Half the country is okay with overturning Roe vs. Wade. Bush, where's the courage of his convictions?... :doh:

Art, you don't understand. If half the country was okay with overturning it, Roe would be gone by now. Calling whoever disagrees with you an Anti-God Secular Humanist (whatever that witless moniker REALLY means) might make you feel better, but the fact remains: Americans do not, by and large, support illegalizing abortion. Americans support gun rights, lower taxes, and the war in Iraq. We get what we want on a pretty regular basis.

Your president is smart enough and realistic enough to know that there is no way in heaven or hell that prohibiting abortion would ever fly, not the way the American people are today.

You need to change hearts before you change laws.

 

[Art Deco]

Originally posted by granite1010 You need to change hearts before you change laws.

The only hearts you need to change are beating inside the chest of five Supreme Court justices. The country will follow...:think:

 

[Art Deco]

Originally posted by granite1010 Calling whoever disagrees with you an Anti-God Secular Humanist (whatever that witless moniker REALLY means)

The Democrat Party is now a Godless Secular Humanist Political Party. If you don't know what that means you need to educate yourself: www.thepublicinterest.com/archives/2002fall/article1.html



Why is Secular Humanism called Godless: The following is an excerpt from the Humanist Manifesto II

-- Religion --


We believe, however, that traditional dogmatic or authoritarian religions that place revelation, God, ritual, or creed above human needs and experience do a disservice to the human species. Any account of nature should pass the tests of scientific evidence; in our judgment, the dogmas and myths of traditional religions do not do so. Even at this late date in human history, certain elementary facts based upon the critical use of scientific reason have to be restated. We find insufficient evidence for belief in the existence of a supernatural; it is either meaningless or irrelevant to the question of survival and fulfillment of the human race. As nontheists, we begin with humans not God, nature not deity.

 

[AtheistsAreGod]

I believe abortion is always right if it's the woman's choice.

In fact I think the abortion procedure - finding a clinic etc - should be taught in schools. There are far too many unhappy parents and abused children in the world, all because the parents were too religious or morally confused to have an abortion.

Murder is defined as the killing of a 'person'. Personhood is usually bestowed upon us when we are either conscious or self-conscious, neither of which happen before a 5 month gestation, one of which only happens in early infancy.

You cannot kill or murder a finger, because it is not a person in its own right. The same goes for the cells that have potential personhood, yet no actual personhood.

More abortions please.

 

[Wamba]

Originally posted by AtheistsAreGod

I believe abortion is always right if it's the woman's choice.

In fact I think the abortion procedure - finding a clinic etc - should be taught in schools. There are far too many unhappy parents and abused children in the world, all because the parents were too religious or morally confused to have an abortion.

Murder is defined as the killing of a 'person'. Personhood is usually bestowed upon us when we are either conscious or self-conscious, neither of which happen before a 5 month gestation, one of which only happens in early infancy.

You cannot kill or murder a finger, because it is not a person in its own right. The same goes for the cells that have potential personhood, yet no actual personhood.

More abortions please.

You make me sick.

 

[Art Deco]

Originally posted by AtheistsAreGod

I believe abortion is always right if it's the woman's choice.

In fact I think the abortion procedure - finding a clinic etc - should be taught in schools. There are far too many unhappy parents and abused children in the world, all because the parents were too religious or morally confused to have an abortion.

Murder is defined as the killing of a 'person'. Personhood is usually bestowed upon us when we are either conscious or self-conscious, neither of which happen before a 5 month gestation, one of which only happens in early infancy.

You cannot kill or murder a finger, because it is not a person in its own right. The same goes for the cells that have potential personhood, yet no actual personhood.

More abortions please.

This is the mentality of the Howard Dean led Secular Humanist Democrat Party. It is a shameless anti-God regional Political Party. Thankfully, under the direction of Howard Dean, we can kiss this evil Political Party good bye over the next four years. Good riddance to bad rubbish...:grave:

 

[aikido7]

Walk your talk. It's not rocket science to figure out that as long as some Americans see the pro-life movement as defining life as beginning at conception and ending at birth, there will not be much movement OR understanding toward a culture that values ALL life.

Most of the arguments on abortion from the Right that I hear nowadays are just linguistic excuses for this underlying, fundamental and profound hypocrisy in how anti-abortion views play out in this political culture.

Life is either sacred or it isn't.

 

[Granite]

Originally posted by Art Deco

The only hearts you need to change are beating inside the chest of five Supreme Court justices. The country will follow...:think:

Salvation through legislation or coercion is a very short-term fix.

 

[Granite]

Hmmmm? Sozo trying to be cryptic and witty at the same time? My head hurts!

 

[Art Deco]

Originally posted by granite1010

Salvation through legislation or coercion is a very short-term fix.

You missed again... It's not salvation...it's justice. That's all we ask from the courts. :angel:

 

[Granite]

Originally posted by Art Deco

You missed again... It's not salvation...it's justice. That's all we ask from the courts. :angel:

"Justice" till the next court just flips the decision. Nothing's fixed long term if all you're doing is changing the LAW.

 

[Art Deco]

Originally posted by granite1010

"Justice" till the next court just flips the decision. Nothing's fixed long term if all you're doing is changing the LAW.

For over 150 years, abortion was illegal. That was fixed long term. Moral relativist judges abandoned settled law and legislated from the bench. It's time to put the murderous evil genie back in the bottle.

 

[Rydo]

Originally posted by Eowyn

You don't have the moral right to murder.

But the unborn baby does?

 

[Eowyn]

Originally posted by Rydo

But the unborn baby does?

That's not really even worth responding to. But since I just did I will take the time to say, if you can't see the difference between someone who tears babies apart for money and an innocent pre-born child then I don't know what to tell you.