A CLOSER look at John 1:1!

[theMadThinker]

5:22- The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the son,
23- that all may honor the son, even as they honor the Father. [That answer JRs charge] He who does not honor the son does not honor the Father who sent him.
24- Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes Him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

 

[theMadThinker]

25- “Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the son of God, and those who hear will live.

God GAVE that Authority to His son.
He did not keep it for Himself.

JESUS WORDS!

 

[theMadThinker]

26- For as the Father has life in himself, so He has granted the son also to have life in himself,
27- and has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the son of man.

NOT God Himself, or Themselves.

 

[theMadThinker]

The whole verse is true.

Also, the phrasing in the Greek is "in beginning was the LOGOS, and the LOGOS was with the God, and God was the LOGOS."

The second "God" in the verse is a noun, not an adjective.



Nope.

Both "THEON" and "THEOS" in that verse are nouns.



There's a reason that only a few translations translate it as such. And it has nothing to do with being courageous.

THEOS is a noun. "Godly," "divine," Are not nouns.



So Moses didn't see God?



You might want to refresh your knowledge of what a simile is.

You even highlighted the key word. "As."

The spirit came down AS a dove, and alighted (landed) on Jesus.



Yes, it was the third Person of the Trinity.



There are only two possibilities for this.

Either Jesus was lying when He said "I will raise it up on the third day," in which case we shoud not trust Him at all, because He would be a liar.

OR

Jesus was telling the truth, and He is the one who raised Himself from the dead. Which means He is, in fact, God, and has power over death.



Someone clearly doesn't understand the meaning of Godhead, nor it's etymology.



Can the Son do the things He sees His Father doing if He is not also the same nature as His Father, ie, if He is not God?

God-the-Bird.

 

[JudgeRightly]

He had His promise from God that he would be RESURRECTED.

Read what He said and believe:

Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables. And He said to those who sold doves, “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!” Then His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up.” So the Jews answered and said to Him, “What sign do You show to us, since You do these things?” Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” But He was speaking of the temple of His body. Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

Bible Gateway passage: John 2:13-22 - New King James Version

Jesus Cleanses the Temple - Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep...

www.biblegateway.com

Or do you believe Jesus NEVER died- but was ALWAYS ALIVE?????

Jesus died on the cross.

He did not cease to exist.

 

[JudgeRightly]

26- For as the Father has life in himself, so He has granted the son also to have life in himself,
27- and has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the son of man.

NOT God Himself, or Themselves.

Trinitarianism is monotheistic.

"God Himself" is correct.

 

[JudgeRightly]

God-the-Bird.

No.

 

[JudgeRightly]

25- “Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the son of God, and those who hear will live.

God GAVE that Authority to His son.
He did not keep it for Himself.

JESUS WORDS!

And?

 

[theMadThinker]

30- “I can do nothing on my OWN authority; as I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of Him who sent me.

Did Two others Gods send him?
Only to Trinitarians.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Could I please ask that you not flood the thread with multiple small posts?

30- “I can do nothing on my OWN authority; as I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of Him who sent me.

Did Two others Gods send him
Only to Trinitarians.

Trinitarianism is monotheistic.

"God Himself" is correct.

 

[theMadThinker]

31- If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true;
32- there is another who bears witness to me, and I know that the testimony which He bears to me is true.

So, the claim that He's God goes right out the Window- but we're only just BEGUN what John was inspired to say!

 

[theMadThinker]

Could I please ask that you not flood the thread with multiple small posts?

You don't want to examine them?????????????????
There is nothing in the rules about taking a closer look at scripture.
Are you going to make it so?

 

[JudgeRightly]

31- If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true;
32- there is another who bears witness to me, and I know that the testimony which He bears to me is true.

So, the claim that He's God goes right out the Window- but we're only just BEGUN what John was inspired to say!

Saying it doesn't make it so.

You don't want to examine them?????????????????
There is nothing in the rules about taking a closer look at scripture.
Are you going to make it so?

I have said nothing about you studying scripture.

What I said had to do with how you post on TOL.

Flooding (posting multiple posts in rapid succession) is a form of spam.

With what you've been saying, there's no reason to break it up into multiple posts.

Basically all I'm asking you to do is to not hit the "Post Reply" button so often. Can you do that for me?

 

[theMadThinker]

44- How can you believe, who receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

There's that word again: "ONLY".

 

[theMadThinker]

Saying it doesn't make it so.



I have said nothing about you studying scripture.

What I said had to do with how you post on TOL.

Flooding (posting multiple posts in rapid succession) is a form of spam.

With what you've been saying, there's no reason to break it up into multiple posts.

Basically all I'm asking you to do is to not hit the "Post Reply" button so often. Can you do that for me?

Jesus word SPAM?
You mean condense them?

 

[JudgeRightly]

44- How can you believe, who receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

There's that word again: "ONLY".

And?

Jesus word SPAM?

Not what I said.

You mean condense them?

There's no reason to break it up into multiple posts.

Basically all I'm asking you to do is to not hit the "Post Reply" button so often. Can you do that for me?

 

[theMadThinker]

Chapter 6~

36- But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe.
37- All that the Father gives me will come to me; and him who comes to me I will not cast out.

38- For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of Him who sent me
39- and this is the will of Him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that He has given me, but raise it up at the last day.

God arranges for people to come to Jesus.

40 For this is the will of my Father, that every one who sees the son and believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
44- No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

65- And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

 

[theMadThinker]

And?



Not what I said.



There's no reason to break it up into multiple posts.

Basically all I'm asking you to do is to not hit the "Post Reply" button so often. Can you do that for me?

I hit the POST REPLY button.to enter my posting!
Is there a different way!

 

[theMadThinker]

Chapt 7~

16- So Jesus answered them, “My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me;

WHOSE teaching?

17-if any man’s will is to do His will, he shall know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.

Jesus YET AGAIN shows he is not God!

18- He who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but he who seeks the glory of Him who sent him is true, and in Him there is no falsehood.

That would be the Clergy.

 

[theMadThinker]

Chapt 8~

OOOOO! Jesus strikes HOME the point~

16- Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone that judge, but I and He who sent me.
17- In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true;
18- I bear witness to myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness to me.”

Case Closed!

28- So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority but speak thus as the Father taught me.
29- And He who sent me is with me; He has not left me alone, for I always do what is pleasing to him.”


42- Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but He sent me.

[Jesus did NOT say "I am God", or "I come from the 'Godhead" or "We came Ourselves"]

45- But, because I tell the truth, you do not believe me.
47- He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”
50- Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it and He will be the judge.