1-In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Which?
Which?
A CLOSER look at John 1:1!
- Thread starter theMadThinker
- Start date
The second verse helps us!
2- He was in the beginning with God!
So, even Trinnies will deny there's 2 Gods.
Could "was God" mean something other than expected?
2- He was in the beginning with God!
So, even Trinnies will deny there's 2 Gods.
Could "was God" mean something other than expected?
It help that "Theo" (God) ALSO could mean "Godly, divine", so a FEW translations are courageous enough to PUT it that way!
Buuuutttt, let's continue with John's testimony!
Buuuutttt, let's continue with John's testimony!
14- And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only son from the Father.
18- No one has ever seen God; the only son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.
So, none have seen God, but there were plenty that saw Jesus!
So, none have seen God, but there were plenty that saw Jesus!
32- And John bore witness, “I saw the spirit descend as a dove from heaven, and it remained on him.
Not a bird, nor bird-God. It shimmered in the sunlight!
Was it a 3rd Person of the "Trinity"???
Not a bird, nor bird-God. It shimmered in the sunlight!
Was it a 3rd Person of the "Trinity"???
2:18- The Jews then said to him, “What sign have you to show us for doing this?”
19- Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
20- The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?”
21- But he spoke of the temple of his body.
Now, trinnies state that Christ resurrected himself, based on this verse.... but he was DEAD, wasn't he?
John10: 17- For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again.
18- No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again; this charge [autorization] I have received from my Father.”
19- Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
20- The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?”
21- But he spoke of the temple of his body.
Now, trinnies state that Christ resurrected himself, based on this verse.... but he was DEAD, wasn't he?
John10: 17- For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again.
18- No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again; this charge [autorization] I have received from my Father.”
3:13- No one has ascended into heaven but he who descended from heaven, the son of man.
Drum Roll~
3:16- For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
As always, spoken of separately!
3:16- For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
As always, spoken of separately!
17-For God sent the son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.
Hmmmm! How would that be worded if it was to show Jesus being God Himself?
Hmmmm! How would that be worded if it was to show Jesus being God Himself?
Right Divider
Body part
Both!
34- For he whom God has sent utters the words of God, for it is not by measure that he gives the Spirit;
35- the Father loves the Son, and has given all things into his hand.
36- He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him.
NONE show or even HINT that he IS God!
35- the Father loves the Son, and has given all things into his hand.
36- He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him.
NONE show or even HINT that he IS God!
Nope.
"Godhead"- does God have a head?
4:23- But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him.
Right Divider
Body part
You cultists are a hoot!
5:19- Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever he does, that the son does likewise.
Likewise.
20- For the Father loves the son, and shows him all that He himself is doing; and greater works than these will He show him, that you may marvel. 21- For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the son gives life to whom he will.
He isn't taking credit- he's giving it to God!
He isn't taking credit- he's giving it to God!
The whole verse is true.
Also, the phrasing in the Greek is "in beginning was the LOGOS, and the LOGOS was with the God, and God was the LOGOS."
The second "God" in the verse is a noun, not an adjective.
Nope.
Both "THEON" and "THEOS" in that verse are nouns.
There's a reason that only a few translations translate it as such. And it has nothing to do with being courageous.
THEOS is a noun. "Godly," "divine," Are not nouns.
So Moses didn't see God?
You might want to refresh your knowledge of what a simile is.
You even highlighted the key word. "As."
The spirit came down AS a dove, and alighted (landed) on Jesus.
Yes, it was the third Person of the Trinity.
There are only two possibilities for this.
Either Jesus was lying when He said "I will raise it up on the third day," in which case we shoud not trust Him at all, because He would be a liar.
OR
Jesus was telling the truth, and He is the one who raised Himself from the dead. Which means He is, in fact, God, and has power over death.
Someone clearly doesn't understand the meaning of Godhead, nor it's etymology.
Can the Son do the things He sees His Father doing if He is not also the same nature as His Father, ie, if He is not God?
He had His promise from God that he would be RESURRECTED.
Or do you believe Jesus NEVER died- but was ALWAYS ALIVE?????