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I'm surprised you see grace in the law. That catches me by surprise. Even made me forget what I had planned out to say. Okay, "It was never the act that cleansed".....I can agree with that. But it certainly was a salvation by works and faith. Noah is the perfect example of that.

Where do we see John preaching grace through faith? He is still preaching commandments and law. We can see what John and Peter preached and it's an interim type thing....endure to the end....still a faith and works gospel which the Jews have been given. I don't think Paul is speaking of...

Thanks for sharing.

God can do whatever He wants. Cloaked in Grace, no doubt. All things work together for good can cover a lot of ground in the Hands of our Mighty God.

Paul knew the Apostles would be preaching to the Jews, right? They were still preaching works mixed with faith, I'm thinking. I've heard the other gospel is referring to this stuff. Preachers trying to draw people back into the law. Just as they do nowadays, actually. Acts 15:24...

Thank you so much...both you and Tam talked me off the ledge. LOL

What in the world is going on? Is there a trick to getting in here? She tried to register and it asks her how many books in the Bible. She said 66 and it said the answer is incorrect. Does anyone have a clue?

Haha....I'm thinking I used that expression incorrectly. :chuckle:

Ah, well I just jumped in recently, so I'm behind the eight ball. :carryon:

I'm asking that you clarify your statement for me. Yours made as much sense as mine did. ;) However, it appears abortion is taking this thread off track. :think:

You were pointing fingers at the liberals, though, right?

Not true. There are women who act against their own "bodily autonomy", and by their own will murder their child.

In that God gave man the ability to choose, then yes. Do I consider everything man chooses to be right, then no.

I don't think you can blame societies problems on any particular group. We see Christians doing all those horrible things you mentioned, too. Casting stones.....

Man's free will allows him to commit every sin imaginable, and you know that, don't you? If man didn't sin, he'd never experience guilt and feel the need to turn to God for forgiveness. This is a deep subject, doser, and worth delving into.

Fibber. I've been around long enough to figure out that a "hint" from you is actually a come on. :chuckle: Which is why I've always enjoyed your particular brand of humor.

Hey, how come you keep waving at me? :think: