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So you're not saying there were no miracles, are you? God didn't really part the red sea, for example? Well, God was very strict, so I'm not sure I'm seeing the comparison. Of course God was dealing with Israel as a physical nation. Okay Looks like reinstatement of the law to me...

Works are physical...believing is not. And at least one of God's covenants with Israel was an eternal covenant He said He would NEVER break. Sounds physical to me. Judges 2:1 And an angel of the Lord came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought...

Well, it's certainly not necessary for salvation. The obedience of faith is not like obedience to the law. It's being led by the Spirit of God, and trusting in the Lord instead of ourselves.

I'm not really sure what to say to all this. This idea that God is progressively doing anything is so odd. I'm sure whatever God does is perfect for what He means to accomplish from the beginning. Yes, in early times, lots of things were different. Miracles and God's means of interacting...

This is what I know. I read and studied the Bible for nearly nearly forty years, always amazed that I couldn't make the gospels and Paul's letters fit. I just put it up on a shelf, thinking someday I'd understand why there was such a difference. The day I read this verse, I realized I'd been...

Rightly dividing....you certainly earn your name, RD.

Well, let's just discuss how God relates in a personal way to humans. You'll admit it's changed over time, I imagine?

Seriously, it took days and days to get the votes to line up the way they wanted. They're finding big errors even as we speak, and the mainstream media is ignoring it all. The swamp is deep and wide, Artie. You're no better off over the pond.

But they didn't believe in the death burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, so they were not baptized by the Spirit into the body of Chrsit. Consider this Arial, you aren't willing to even consider other than what you are firmly attached to. So are you any more willing to keep an...

The eternal covenant is speaking of the covenant with Israel. I'm not sure where you get the idea of it being a covenant among the person's of the Godhead. I'm pretty sure the covenants are all with the nation of Israel. Romans 9 speaks of this.. 3 For I could wish that myself were...

True, there are many mysteries, but God is able to reveal them to us through the Holy Spirit....as we diligently read and study His word. Can we ever grasp the greatness of God...not until we see Him face to face would be my guess. 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery...

Hillary was caught with her pants down, and she was stomped to boot.

Artie, you've been watching the mainstream media again. ;)

I'm wondering where you find the "Covenant of Redemption" in scripture?

Her brother says she will never sing, but to have some years knocked off her time for coorperating, has got to be mighty tempting. I agree, Tam, I'm hoping they're all caught and get put away.

Obedience was required before the cross. Faith plus works were required in the past and will be again in the future.

Ah, that must be it. Thanks RD. :)

Sorry if I'm not falling for that malarkey, Arthur, but it's great to see you anyway. :giggle: