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Well, I wouldn't say that from the post you've presented. He is just stating a fact. It's a present fact.

What in the world are you talking about here?

That's what I keep telling you. What is your point. Get to it instead of beating around the bush all the time.

We're not talking about "the works". We're talking about those works before the law was given. Seriously? Not even when the time time of refreshing would come? There was no covenant of redemption for the Jews? Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted...

What is the gospel, Ariel? Lay it out for all to see.

Oh my goodness. Are you being faulted for giving too much scripture? You are a very bad boy, RD.

Yep, no hope of life. Gone forever into the lake of fire with the rest of the unsaved.

Yep, that's a good one. From prophecy we have.... Psalm 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.

You seem to be missing a lot of points while you're busy telling others they're missing points. Perhaps we have a failure to communicate.

Yep, no doubt about that. His "familiar" friend, I think it was. John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Right, they may learn not to blaspheme. They may not learn, but that doesn't mean they would lose their salvation. It just means that they will be hounded by satan with trials and tribulation.

No, only their body was dead. What Paul is talking about is that there would be no hope of resurrection or even life after death if Jesus hadn't died on the cross. That would be perished....gone forever with no hope of life.

You make it sound like God hasn't always required works. When has He not before this age of Grace? You're way too emeshed in covenants. You're seeing them everywhere, even where they aren't.

Once again, Jesus was speaking to the lost sheep of Israel. However, since all scripture is given for our instruction, I think we can safely say that the oil for the lamps was the Holy Spirit, and this sure sounds like that passage in Rev. 19 where the wife was getting herself ready...

Ah, that little addition of "PAST SINS" proves you are still in the dark. You also failed to address the fact that we already have received the atonement. Do you know what that means? It means your wait until later to be saved is a bunch of malarkey. The two do not mix.

Good one. Paul was shipwrecked and that worked out really well. However, in your example, the two unfaithfull brethren were delivered to Satan.....that they may LEARN not to blaspheme. It's like when satan was allowed to torment Job for a season, even though Job did nothing wrong. (There...

The New Covenant has not come yet. It was offered, but the Jews rejected their King when He came.

Yeah, good point. Well....Judas.......for the worse, I guess.

Oh no. Don't go trans on me. ;)

Okay, notice in Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. The Lamb is definitely Jewish, and HIS WIFE has made herself ready. Israel has always been God's wife. He sorta divorced her a...