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the emblems as tokens of life-giving substance...... the emblems as tokens of life-giving substance...... According to Paul this is emphasized and quoted as below. Note that Paul claimed he received this as a revelation from the Lord, - it was likely one of the many 'revelations' he claimed...

Partaking of the elements...... Partaking of the elements...... The former commentary stands in its clarity on this matter. To assume Jesus came 'JUST' to be a blood-sacrifice is indefensible, and only 'believed' in this sense by those who hold this kind of theology. As shared previously...

meaning of the cross.....part 2 meaning of the cross.....part 2 ~*~*~ Paper 188: 4: 8-13.... 188:4.8 When once you grasp the idea of God as a true and loving Father, the only concept which Jesus ever taught, you must forthwith, in all consistency, utterly abandon all those primitive notions...

meaning of the cross.....part 1 meaning of the cross.....part 1 ~*~*~ From Paper 188, "The Time of the Tomb", sub-section 4, "Meaning of the Cross" - 188:4.2 Jesus desired to live a full mortal life in the flesh on Urantia. Death is, ordinarily, a part of life. Death is the last act in the...

repentance..... repentance..... This is predicated on a presuppositional position that Jesus had to die to effect our salvation as some 'blood-atonement' (vicarious or otherwise), but we've dealt with this from an orthodox Jewish perspective, upon which the papers agree, but the papers...

Remember, God is a loving Father, willing to forgive and respond to those who return to Him. No human sacrifice is needed, neither can such atone for the sins of another, since one must atone for his own sins, and repent to his own credit. The principle of 'self-responsibility' cannot be...

Re-cap Re-cap Return: Here Also previous UB passages and commentary hold. More will be shared on the 'meaning of the cross' from the papers. My relationship with the Father is predicated upon sonship, mutual affection and communion with reality. Your personal ad hominem above is...

Returning to 'God' is all that is essential....... Returning to 'God' is all that is essential....... My original position and argument for 'prayer' and 'repentance' as an effective method of 'atonement' stands. See Rabbi Michael Skobac's article concering Leviticus 17:11, from which the...

redefining 'atonement'...... redefining 'atonement'...... The Papers definition of 'sin' and the universal concept of atonement-methods without blood still holds, shared earlier. I've never considered the blood of Jesus as something 'unholy', and as a mystic have respected its 'holiness' and...

Omnipresent Love...... Omnipresent Love...... I think the parable of the penitent tax collector says it all, who unlike the Pharisee who boasted in his self-righteous comparing himself to other men, would not so much lift his eyes to heaven, but pleaded with God to be merciful to him, a...

leaving the bloodshed behind....... leaving the bloodshed behind....... My former post stands,....for the 'LORD' was instructing them to wash themselves of their form former evil, and return to right doing. This 'repentance' was the way.....NOT a blood-sacrifice or religious ritual or even...

you're clueless...... you're clueless...... Continuing your ignorance does not help your case or claims at all. We've been very charitable in giving you ample resources and material (besides the actual papers themselves) so there is no exuse to remain uneducated. pj

Reasoning...... Reasoning...... Remember we covered the papers commentary on "the forgiveness of sin", as it defines 'sin' here. More importantly, you will note that the above passage is about the effect of repentance. This is important to see. Read the entire 1st chapter of Isaiah in...

Intelligent readers with open objectivity can see this much. pj

moving along....... moving along....... They are not 'my papers', - I don't serve as an apologist for the UB, but since I have been a reader over the years, and this is a thread on the papers,...I represent them 'appropriately' in any given context. There is no reason to believe ALL disease...

qualify your criticisms............... qualify your criticisms............... See previous post(s) and recommended research material if you want a real dialogue on the contents of the papers. Ignorance, assumptions or false comparisons don't hold here, since without proper knowledge or...

Know what you criticize first before presuming..... Know what you criticize first before presuming..... Reason is a principle highly spoken of in the Papers, as it espouses the highest precepts of logic, reason, wisdom, truth, beauty, goodness, etc. You'd have to learn what the UB is all...

Progressive revelation...... Progressive revelation...... Thats what the papers teach. If Satan or any one of the rebel sons of God didn't exist, they couldn't be 'imprisoned' anywhere. Its an account like any other religious document (come by inspired or channeled means). A reader uses his...

learning the teaching....... learning the teaching....... My previous post stands with direct links for your own enlightenment on the subjects concerned. Without at least reading the Foreword and first 12 papers, you cannot know what the papers teach about those 12 primary subjects which are...

First 12 Papers First 12 Papers You still display an ignorance of the Urantia Papers (core revelation, teachings, principles), for it contains much essential knowledge of 'God', not just information, and a vast comprehensive 'theology' extending and expanding on the previous base of the...