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How so, by agreeing with Clete?

Oh, there's plenty if you scroll back but if you're mired in juvenile presumption then there's your stumbling block. Maybe you want to make some more asinine quips about me instead?

Nope. How many failed attempts at a slam dunk are you trying to aim for?

That's all very Sunday service church meeting an' all but nothing actually addressing my post. Ho hum.

Why thank you Derf! But no, you haven't. You also have yet to acknowledge your own erroneous presumptive opinions regarding myself but no matter, kinda expect it from certain quarters and to be fair, not immune from doing it myself on occasion either but where it comes to this topic: There...

She absolutely does obviously and anyone with a semi functioning brain reading the words of Paul can see that there is no way in California, Grimsby and Israel is there any excuse for a husband to force sex onto his wife or has any sort of right to do so either. That two people become one in a...

Funny. I've heard all sorts of stuff emanating from far right fundamentalists that would have some of the most loving and compassionate people I know be thrown into jail or worse because they failed to live up to a particular "moral standard". Further, to the point of homeless people being...

It is absolutely insane that you've had to point out the absolute obvious and sadly enough it still won't register with certain elements here. Well said anyway.

Gotta love precocious presumption and misrepresentation... I said I didn't condone adultery but rather that it can be understandable in circumstances and wow, could it be understandable with the likes of husbands thinking they have the right to demand sex from their wives and their wives not...

Nope. Did you think you sounded real smart when you typed that little soundbite out?

Didn't know what exactly? Or was this just some real dumb and juvenile *quip* on your part? I would ask you to clarify but as you can't specify what the "something else" is in regards to forced sex in a marriage other then rape actually entails then won't be holding my breath on the score...

Those easily accessible writings were already there for you and in no way defended any sort of position akin to it being okay for a husband to force sex on his wife. I'm not obliged to provide Bible verses and your presumptions that I'm not aware of such in regards to the topic only reflects on...

My position doesn't, nor ever did need defending. There's no justification for anyone forcing themselves onto another, period. You will not find anything from Paul or anywhere else in the Bible that justifies a husband forcing himself on his wife as Clete has more than ably pointed out so if you...

Read what Paul says yourself, you've got a Bible haven't ya? Good luck finding him saying that it's okay for a husband to force himself on his wife dingbat.

He wouldn't, not if he's a loving and cherishing one. If he entertains the notion of raping his spouse then he obviously isn't.

Oh, okay. Paul doesn't condone a husband forcing himself on his wife or even allude to that being okay in a loving marriage. Got that straight now?

Prove what? How Paul doesn't condone a husband forcing himself on his wife or even allude to that being okay in a loving marriage? Are you kidding me?

Don't condone it but it's understandable at times. Given what's been posited here at times I can sure understand why wives leave their husbands by way of...

Paul doesn't advocate or defend what you're positing anyway. So that's once again moot. Simple really Derf. If you love and cherish someone then you don't force yourself on them and you also don't try and reason some twisted way to justify doing so either.

Rape is indefensible so of course it is. That was easy. Some wingnuts on here advocate that adultery should be a capital crime and via stoning so of course not. There'd be no way any council would even go near that so kinda moot.