heir
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They do not. Most pay attention only to that which was written to Israel. They read OT, hijack Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and play leap frog right over Paul's 13 epistles and jump back in to Heb-Rev.
"You think" you posses eternal life.
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nodelink
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Your sample of evangelical Christians must be different than mine.
I actually think that's it's an anti-Roman Catholic thing that's been going on since the Protestant Reformation.
The RCC follows a liturgical calendar that mostly controls which portions of the Scriptures are used during the mass. As I recall, the vast majority of Sunday homilies (sermons) were based on the prescribed portion from Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. Homily content from the epistles of Paul was much more rare.
In a spirit of contrariness, then if Rome was for it, a hard-level reaction against Rome would need to be against it.
The gospels of MMLJ are rich in parables and stories.
The epistles of Paul are heavy in precepts and much lighter in narrative content.
Different genres of Biblical writings all have something to teach us.
Different types of people and different church traditions have different perspectives and strengths.
Different paths generate different outcomes but we can gain different types of understanding from the different types.
heir
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Ben Masada
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Well, perhaps you will understand with this thread of mine:
The Truth About Melchizedek
Here is a column which I consider will crack under the building of Christianity. Who was Melchizedek? This man was a pagan Canaanite king, who happened to be the king of Salem, ancient name for Jerusalem.
Abram had just returned from a battle with five kings, and, on his way to Beersheba, he paused by Jerusalem for a repast. He and his men were tired and weary of the military campaign. Melchizedek, afraid perhaps that Abram would take on him too and conquer Jerusalem out of his hands, immediately brought forth bread and wine to him and his troops. For Abram, it was a relieve. He didn't have to fight another king.
Now, please, I must remind you that I am reading from the originals in Hebrew and not from the KJV. Why would Melchizedek prefer to feed Abram and his army instead of fighting him? Because he, Abram, and not Melchizedek was the priest of God most High, whose seed would be of a nation of priests and kings. (Exod. 19:6; Isa. 61:6)
Then, as Melchizedek served the food and drink, he blessed Abram. Please focus on how he blessed Abram. "Blessed be Abram of God Most High." It means that Melchizedek would recognize that Abram was the one Priest of God the Most High. Creator of the universe." Then, for all the bread and wine, and that blessing of recognition of who Abram really was, Abram shared with him a tenth of the spoils taken from the kings in battle; a tenth at random.
Now, let us check Psalm 110:4, which in the KJV says, "The Lord has sworn and will not repent, you are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek." This is a Christian gloss plagiarized by Paul and grossly forged by the Church in the 4th Century under the excuse of pious forgery.
Here is what Psalm 110:4 says in the originals in Hebrew: "The Lord has sworn and will not relent, you are a priest forever; a rightful king by My decree." As you can see, it has nothing to do with king Melchizedek, king of Salem, but rather to David in the type level of interpretation, which points to the archetype level of Israel, the seed of Abraham as a nation of priests and kings. (Exod. 19:6; Isa. 61:6) Obviously, only the High Priest of the Most High would produce a generation of priests and kings through Israel.
Ben Masada
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Yea, all those characters you have mentioned above were Jews and their messages were indeed according to Judaism. The only thing you perhaps still don't know is that the gospels were not written by the Apostles of Jesus but by Hellenists probably former disciples of Paul. Jews would not write against their own Faith. Paul yes because he had ceased being a Jew when he founded Christianity in Antioch about 30 years after Jesus had been gone. (Acts 11:26)
Ben Masada
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You have all the right in the world to believe whatever you want but you don't have a handle of the Truth. Prophet Jeremiah revealed the secret that HaShem never commanded that animal sacrifices be part of the religion of Israel. (Jer. 7:22) They were allowed by Moses from the viewpoint of "Pichuach Nephesh" because after 430 years of exile in Egypt, daily witnessing animal sacrifices, the Israelites would not accept a religion without animal sacrifices. Moses realized immediately that he would never be able to effect God's command to take the People out of Egypt into the Promised Land if he did not accommodate the sacrifices.
In my honest understanding, the sacrifices served only prophetically to point to the final atonement effected by Israel on behalf of Judah. (Psalm 78:67-69) That's why the Lord rejected Israel and confirmed Judah. Now, we don't need them anymore.
Jesus was no unblemished lamb and his blood was not shed for sinners because, according to the Prophets, no one can die for the sins of another. (Jer. 31:30 and Ezek. 18:20)
Ben Masada
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Indeed, it seems that way. I mean, that you have forgotten more than I figure. If there was any thing from Jesus to Paul, why would the Apostles of Jesus deny Paul's request to join the Sect of the Nazarenes on the basis that he could not be a disciple? (Acts 9:26) Why didn't Jesus say to the Apostles that it was okay to enlist Paul as a disciple? Doubtless because Paul was lying and what he was bringing over to Jerusalem was heresy and idolatry. (Acts 9:20)
Ben Masada
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Paul got his gospel from the Hellenism of Greek Mythology. Yea, his gospel was after the Hellenistic doctrine of the demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman. (Acts 9:20) If Jesus revealed any thing to him, how come the Apostles of Jesus did not know it? When Paul applied to join the Apostles he was rejected under the pretext that he could not even be a disciple. (Acts 9:26) Weird, isn't
it?
I already trust the Lord as a member of the Faith of Jesus which was Judaism. The only power of God that saves man is obedience to the Law. Jesus himself implied with his parable of the Richman and Lazarus that the only way to be saved from hell-fire is by listening to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31)
Aimiel
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Not me. I KNOW I possess eternal life. The Life lives in me. I am His Temple. God and Jesus, Who is The Holy Ghost, has taken up residence in my heart. No longer I live but Christ lives in me, both to will and to do His good pleasure.
Actually, He does not only support studying Scripture, He wants us to speak it all the time...
Psalm 34:1
I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth.
Think about it all the time...
Psalm 119:148
Mine eyes prevent the night watches, that I might meditate in thy word.
Jesus is The Living Word of God and He said He'd never leave us or forsake us. His Word is The True Manna that came from Heaven. We have REAL MEAT to eat when we do His Will. If we are His then His Word abides in us. His Word is alive. His Word empowers us and gives us the victory over hell, death and the grave. We are 'more than conquerors.' Do you know what that means? Think of a championship boxer. He goes in the ring. He defeats his opponent. He is the conqueror. He goes home. He gives the check to his wife. SHE is 'more than a conqueror.'
nodelink
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Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were prominent New Testament writers.
Luke was not a Jew and Luke wrote Gospel of Luke and Acts of the Apostles.
Mark was a disciple of Peter.
John was the Apostle John.
Matthew was the former publican tax collector who became an apostle.
"You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts."
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Look at all the Scriptures. One proof-text is not enough. Jesus Christ was prophesied throughout the Old Testament. Some parts of the prophecies were fulfilled. Other parts of the prophecies remain to be filled in association with the return of the Messiah, King Jesus.
Are you perfect in your compliance to the law? I think not.
Do you follow all of the ceremonial laws including animal sacrifices and temple observances?
The Jewish temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. You can't do the temple observances.
How can sins be justly pardoned? God must be just and He must punish sin, even sins that are small and few if that could be in a deceitful human being.
God will be glorified in both vessels of justice as well as vessels of mercy.
Christ offered Himself on the cross as the perfect, atoning sacrifice for sin.
Nothing else but the blood of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, was sufficient to remove the guilt of even the smallest sin. 99% of perfection is not good enough to be justified in the sight of a Holy God.
Be humble, repent, believe and follow Jesus.
heir
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Nope! Paul got it by direct revelation of Jesus Christ as the scripture saith (Galatians 1:11-12 KJV).
Why do you blaspheme? Colossians 1:13-19 KJV
You don't think God can keep a secret? (Romans 16:25-27 KJV, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV)
Saul was a man who led the persecution against those of "this way" (Acts 9:1-2 KJV, Acts 22:4-5 KJV)/persecuted the church of God and wasted it (Galatians 1:13 KJV), consented unto the death of Stephen a man full of the Holy Ghost (Acts 8:1 KJV) disqualifying him for forgiveness under the kingdom program (Matthew 12:31-32 KJV), so yes, I would say that they were SHOCKED that he was a chosen vessel of the Lord as Paul being saved was something the Lord had never done before (1 Timothy 1:16 KJV)!
Galatians 5:2 KJV
You are dead wrong! The gospel of Christ is the power of God to save you!
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
It is the righteousness of God WITHOUT THE LAW and is upon all them that believe!
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Believe what? The gospel of Christ, that's what!
1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1 Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1 Corinthians 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
That's not our good news! The good news is that even though the wages of sin is death, Christ took the payoff! He paid the debt in full (Romans 6:23 KJV)!
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Trust the Lord believing the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV)! It's your only hope!
Milkshake,
You may be banned, but Tam never gives out negs, so you made that up. You were a bad little girl.
:chuckle:
That is a good one. :chuckle:
Ben Masada
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Every thing is all right and I do agree with you, they were Jews except for Luke but they did not write the NT and again, except for Luke who wrote the third gospel and the book of Acts.
You are right that Matthew was a former publican tax collector but he did not write the gospel attributed to him. If you want a clear evidence of the fact, read Mat. 9:9. And so all the others. Evidences point to the fact that they did not write the gospels or letters attributed to them. Only Paul did his.