brother Willi
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you tell me
do i?
why own a gun?
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do i?
philosophizer
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Luke 6:32-33 --
32"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. 33And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that.
Can you show love to those who ask questions against your beliefs? Can you give them answers? Do you care?
brother Willi
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am i not attacked for living these words?
Luke 6:32-33 --
32"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. 33And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that.
philosophizer
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Romans 14:19-21 --
19Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.
If you are being attacked, why do you not love your attackers by giving them what they want-- by turning the other cheek?
They want answers to questions. You refuse to give them this. You are doing something to cause your brother to fall. You are not showing love. You do not seem to care.
philosophizer
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brother Willi,
Am I your neighbor?
Am I your brother?
Do you love me?
Am I your neighbor?
Am I your brother?
Do you love me?
brother Willi
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if i give you a fish, you eat for one day.
if i teach you how to fish, you eat everyday.
questions make folks think a lot harder
brother Willi
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YES!
YES!
YES!
Am I your neighbor?
Am I your brother?
Do you love me?
philosophizer
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Why did you reply to my questions in such an inconsiderate way?
Yes to all three.
brother Willi
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im sorry if you see it as inconsiderate
please tell me why
philosophizer
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brother Willi
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how would you answer your questions?
howbout that
thank you
philosophizer
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My questions were about your beliefs. I can't answer them. And even if I could, it wouldn't be nearly as fun.
The main point of that post was to ask you about imprisonment. Would you have murderers imprisoned their whole lives? If so, why? Is it because of something Jesus said? If so, what?
And the second point was about police who don't carry guns. They do carry something. If it's not alright for a cop to use a gun on a criminal, is it okay to use a billy club?
You're welcome.howbout that
thank you
brother Willi
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i see jail more in what Jesus taught then a good stoneing to death.
do you?
if it is called for, yes
but justly, and with mercy.
we must always see ourselves in our brothers and sisters.
do your questions teach me?
You're welcome. [/QUOTE]
Aimiel
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For the same reason that selling everything that you have and giving all your money to the poor isn't done... a lack of faith. If we trusted The Lord half as much as we think we do, we'd do as He said, not as we think. We think we're walking by faith, but most of what we do shows what we have faith in: money. We work, we buy guns to defend our 'stuff' and we save money for vacations. I just don't see where someone ought to be foolish enough to put their life on the line, not keeping a gun in the house and not being willing to defend the lives and safety of their family (apparently) by thinking that one suggestion by The Lord would mean that their obedience is mandatory, when one isn't follwing all that He said, or at least looking at the context of what was said. It just seems too far-fetched. It reminds me of the 'snake-handling' churches, for some reason. Completely out-of-context; and not worth regarding as sound or acceptable doctrine.
aharvey
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Nope, still not getting it. Your first couple of sentences seem to say that we work to get money, buy stuff, buy guns to protect our stuff, because we don't have enough faith in the Lord to do what he actually said to do (which I assume does NOT revolve around money, stuff, and protection thereof!), not as we think. So far you sound like you're exactly on the same page as BW. The second half of your post seems to be where you dismiss his viewpoint, but frankly, your arguments don't add up to me.
I agree that it is inappropriate to base your entire view on this or any other issue on one statement (suggestion? I've never heard of Jesus's teaching being considered mere suggestions before!), especially without properly recognizing the context of the statement. However, if you follow this thread, this has been more of a problem with the pro-gun (pro-sword?) crowd. BW's argument, as aggravatingly as he may seem to be presenting it, is in fact that when you look overall at what Jesus said and did, it's hard to justify the legal weaponry and aggression that seem to characterize our society. And I happen to think that that's a valid viewpoint worthy of more serious consideration than is being presented here, for exactly the reasons that you wish to deny it!
brother Willi
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Matthew 25:36
naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.'
Matthew 25:39
'When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'
naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.'
Matthew 25:39
'When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'
Nineveh
Merely Christian
You said, "protect, YES. with a weapon, NOPE."
I asked, "How might you protect your family against an armed villian unarmed?"
You "answered", " when does Jesus teach you your enemies life is yours to take? your enemies life belongs to God."
Either your "protection" is simply standing by to watch the slaughter, or you believe an evil man has the "right" to take your family's lives while you don't have the right to stop the evil.
Out of curiosity...
If you saw another man's wife being murdered, would you stop it? If yes, How far would you go to stop it?
brother Willi
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for now
what was the punishment for murder given to Cain?
banishment.not death
hard to banish a person in the world today without jail of sometype.
whats your thoughts
should it be a new thread?