Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 6

[Lon]

With Cheap Grace Theology running amuck, today's so-called Christians think that they can vote for evil and still be given God's grace.\

There is no such thing as cheap Grace. It always bothers me when someone says that it didn't cost Jesus everything. Does it mean, however, that you can 'earn it?' No. Don't try, ACW, or it is works salvation. We can do nothing to gain His grace. It is freely given. If by that you mean 'cheap' you are correct to the point where we must necessarily fall on mercy and grace. You better hope it is free, because you and I cannot pay enough for it.

aCultureWarrior said:
I always thought that Romans 13 was a pretty good description (on what the role of civil government is).

What's not to love about an institution that was created by God for the purpose of doing good in His eyes, i.e. one of the 3 institutions ordained by God for the governance of man? Just because liberals and libertarians have corrupted civil government, doesn't mean that it's an inherently evil institution.

aCultureWarrior said:
How so? Libertarian ideology pretty much runs this country, with homosexuality, abortion, and pornography being legal. And how about the rampant use of recreational drugs, that's based on libertarianism.


Thanks to libertarianism, hardcore recreatonal drug use has pretty much been decriminalized, at least in big cities. Shooting up on a bench on a public sidewalk is pretty common in cities. And how about homosexuality, libertarians/liberals even have children embracing sexual perverson (them homosexuals, they just love their little boys).


Boy "Tom" if you hadn't told me that you weren't a libertarian, I'd think that you are based on your pro drug stance alone.

aCultureWarrior said:
Actually according to the article that I've been posting for the past few pages (Civil Government: the Neglected Ministry) , that's the role of civil government, to do what right in the eyes of God.

LOL..,.it's ok "Tom", I've had fun messing with one of TOL's many "But I'm not a libertarian!" libertarians. My posts aren't for you, they're for those who seek the truth.

Moving on....

There is a disconnect between being caught up too much in affairs of earthly kingdoms. I'm glad I was born in these United States, but I belong to God. There is no 'godly' party at the moment. If you or I vote (or abstain), we need to do so with prayer and what wisdom we have been given. No matter who I vote for, abortion happens. No matter if I abstain, abortion happens. I want to do what God wants me to do, and support a brother or sister's choice, that they have prayed over. Its a tough time to be a Christian who votes or chooses not to do so.

 

[Idolater]

CIVIL GOVERNMENT: THE NEGLECTED MINISTRY, by Archie P. Jones

'Big fan of the Spanish Inquisition, huh? That was all OK, right? Using force to promote your own personal ethics, which is cultivated in a person who doesn't even pay homage to the whole /entire /catholic Sacred Tradition generated by the Apostles, and instead is playing a game where the rules are made up, it's like playing with the chess board and all the chess pieces, but you're not setting them up right and you're not doing the right moves for the pieces and you're not actually playing chess, even though you have the board and all the chess pieces. You don't know how to play chess. And it's not harmless, it's dangerous, because when we who do know how to play, see your potential, if you just took the time to learn to play the actual game, then you would bless a multitude of people, because we aren't playing chess, we're actually the seed of the kingdom of God here on earth. And you're not playing chess is costing us money---I mean, souls. And money. But mainly, souls. A worker is worthy of his hire, and we need money, that's just the reality, inflation doesn't just affect you and me, it affects the priests and deacons and bishops and secretaries and janitors and contractors and everybody else who subsists in some way on the Church giving.

Play chess. Come to Mass.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

With Cheap Grace Theology running amuck, today's so-called Christians think that they can vote for evil and still be given God's grace.

There is no such thing as cheap Grace.

I know, that's why it's so sickening when liberals/libertarians try to cheapen Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.

It always bothers me when someone says that it didn't cost Jesus everything. Does it mean, however, that you can 'earn it?' No. Don't try, ACW, or it is works salvation. We can do nothing to gain His grace. It is freely given.

If repentance weren't a requirement for eternal salvation, even 'gay Christian' Richard Grenell, Trump's first openly homosexual Cabinet member who was working with Trump to decriminalize homosexuality across the globe would go to Heaven. Maybe you think God allows anarchy in Heaven, but His Word in Holy Scripture says differently.

There is a disconnect between being caught up too much in affairs of earthly kingdoms.

If you can show me in Holy Scripture where God says not to take the 3 institutions that He created for the governance of man (the family, the Church and civil government) too seriously, please share.

...There is no 'godly' party at the moment.

That's on those that who identify as Christian. They sold out God for whatever reason and failed to embrace Exodus 18:21, Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2: 13-15.

If you or I vote (or abstain), we need to do so with prayer and what wisdom we have been given. No matter who I vote for, abortion happens. No matter if I abstain, abortion happens.

Sin and evil happens, but again, show me where God says that mankind is to sit back and allow it to happen.

I want to do what God wants me to do, and support a brother or sister's choice, that they have prayed over. Its a tough time to be a Christian who votes or chooses not to do so.

Then you must be a big fan of Rex Tillerson, former head of the Boy Scouts of America and Trump's first Secretary of State who "prayed" over whether Scouts who identify as homosexual should be allowed to be in Scouts while going against it's "morally straight" doctrine.

"I can’t get into the intimacy of these conversations,” said Hamre. “’But he [head of Boy Scouts Rex Tillerson] agonized over this. He prayed on it, and ultimately he came to the conclusion the only thing that can guide him here is what’s best for the young boys. I think he became a key leader in helping the group come to a consensus."

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[aCultureWarrior]

'Big fan of the Spanish Inquisition, huh?

They were amateurs compared to the Catholics of today. Can you believe that the liberal faction of the Catholic Church allowed openly homosexual males into the Priesthood? As we both know, where little boys can be found (in this case 12 year old altar boys) homosexuals will be there (they likez em young).

Using force to promote your own personal ethics...

Except for they're God's "ethics" and the sword is part of civil government.

 

[Lon]

With Cheap Grace Theology running amuck, today's so-called Christians think that they can vote for evil and still be given God's grace.

I know, that's why it's so sickening when liberals/libertarians try to cheapen Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.


If repentance weren't a requirement for eternal salvation, even 'gay Christian' Richard Grenell, Trump's first openly homosexual Cabinet member who was working with Trump to decriminalize homosexuality across the globe would go to Heaven. Maybe you think God allows anarchy in Heaven, but His Word in Holy Scripture says differently.

Being in Christ, one that is in Him wants to follow Him. If not? There is a problem. People in Christ don't want excuses for sin, they want Jesus.

If you can show me in Holy Scripture where God says not to take the 3 institutions that He created for the governance of man (the family, the Church and civil government) too seriously, please share.

Do you know the difference between an earthly kingdom and His? He said to pray for our leaders (not complain as much). We need to pray more. I have a bit of power, with others, quite a bit more, but nothing that isn't from Him Colossians 1:15-20

That's on those that who identify as Christian. They sold out God for whatever reason and failed to embrace Exodus 18:21, Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2: 13-15.

Do you think we 'could' start a Christian party? How do you envision it coming about? I'm surely curious

Sin and evil happens, but again, show me where God says that mankind is to sit back and allow it to happen.

He and His disciples did exactly that. Does it mean we should? I don't have a problem with convictions either way, but I always want to ask the one insisting only their own tack is the only option about it.

Then you must be a big fan of Rex Tillerson, former head of the Boy Scouts of America and Trump's first Secretary of State who "prayed" over whether Scouts who identify as homosexual should be allowed to be in Scouts while going against it's "morally straight" doctrine.

YOU just put me into the same camp with a homosexual. Guess what? THE ONLY thing that'd make me and him fit into that context, YOU said is prayer!
If you are advocating for a prayer-less Christian, I know of no such animal. There is no such thing as a prayer-less Christian. WHY would you advocate it? Just because a homosexual does? You literally don't want to talk with Christ because a homosexual does or tries to do so?
What are you advocating. What is the purpose of this response? Just a mindless knee-jerk? Something you aren't saying very well? What? Literally that no one prays to God?

"I can’t get into the intimacy of these conversations,” said Hamre. “’But he [head of Boy Scouts Rex Tillerson] agonized over this. He prayed on it, and ultimately he came to the conclusion the only thing that can guide him here is what’s best for the young boys. I think he became a key leader in helping the group come to a consensus."

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Again, point? "I" was talking about involvement with politics. You are talking about prayer for other things. Discernment is important in a conversation, CW.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

aCultureWarrior said:
If repentance weren't a requirement for eternal salvation, even 'gay Christian' Richard Grenell, Trump's first openly homosexual Cabinet member who was working with Trump to decriminalize homosexuality across the globe would go to Heaven. Maybe you think God allows anarchy in Heaven, but His Word in Holy Scripture says differently.

Being in Christ, one that is in Him wants to follow Him. If not? There is a problem. People in Christ don't want excuses for sin, they want Jesus.

Yes, and following Him requires repentance (turning from your old ways and embracing His ways). Can we both agree that homosexuals, 'gay Christian' Richard Grenell included, won't be joining God in Heaven if they don't turn from their old ways...ahem..."Lon"?

aCultureWarrior said:
If you can show me in Holy Scripture where God says not to take the 3 institutions that He created for the governance of man (the family, the Church and civil government) too seriously, please share.

Do you know the difference between an earthly kingdom and His?

Since God created the family, the Church and civil government, they are "His".

He said to pray for our leaders (not complain as much).

God defines what a legitimate civil leader is in Romans 13. Sure, you can pray for a lost soul who happens to be a illegitimate civil leader to give the people the knowledge to vote him out of office and that he repents after it's done,, but you don't pray for an illegitimate civil leader, hoping that evil becomes good.

We need to pray more.

Who is "we" ...ahem..."Lon"? We are definitely not brothers in Christ.

Do you think we 'could' start a Christian party?

Again ....ahem..."Lon" there is no "we". If followers of Christ decide to take civil government seriously, they'll follow God's commandments in Exodus 18:21, Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2;13-15 and God-fearing men who punish evil and promote good will once again be in politics.

aCultureWarrior said:
Then you must be a big fan of Rex Tillerson, former head of the Boy Scouts of America and Trump's first Secretary of State who "prayed" over whether Scouts who identify as homosexual should be allowed to be in Scouts while going against it's "morally straight" doctrine.

YOU just put me into the same camp with a homosexual. Guess what? THE ONLY thing that'd make me and him fit into that context, YOU said is prayer!

Caught ya...ahem..."Lon". You earlier said "I want to do what God wants me to do, and support a brother or sister's choice, that they have prayed over."

If Rex Tillerson were a legitimate Christian, he would have prayed for those youth with homosexual desires to seek spiritual and psychological guidance, i.e. to repent, not to give them a license to keep on sinning.

If you are advocating for a prayer-less Christian, I know of no such animal. There is no such thing as a prayer-less Christian. WHY would you advocate it?

Prayer must be focused on what God wants, not what the sinful individual wants.

 

[Lon]

aCultureWarrior said:
If repentance weren't a requirement for eternal salvation, even 'gay Christian' Richard Grenell, Trump's first openly homosexual Cabinet member who was working with Trump to decriminalize homosexuality across the globe would go to Heaven. Maybe you think God allows anarchy in Heaven, but His Word in Holy Scripture says differently.

I didn't say it wasn't, I said the Holy Spirit in a person causes them to go the right way. "If not" then they need to worry about whether they are filled with Christ. Richard Grenell needs a talk with God.

Yes, and following Him requires repentance (turning from your old ways and embracing His ways). Can we both agree that homosexuals, 'gay Christian' Richard Grenell included, won't be joining God in Heaven if they don't turn from their old ways...ahem..."Lon"?

Perhaps. Why? Because there are a lot of things that can happen between now and then (or has he died :idunno: )?

aCultureWarrior said:
If you can show me in Holy Scripture where God says not to take the 3 institutions that He created for the governance of man (the family, the Church and civil government) too seriously, please share.

I didn't say anything about that. Jesus said His kingdom was not of this earth, but scripture also records a millennial reign. To be honest, it is a little confusing BUT we are to shine His light in us, salt the earth and lead others to Him. That ultimately is our business. The better we are at praying the Lord of the Harvest to help us, the result will be a world filled with more of us.

Since God created the family, the Church and civil government, they are "His".

I wouldn't say He created the civil government. When Israel asked for a king 'just like the rest of the nations' it was a rejection of Him. While God does His work, I'd not say government without Him, is His creation.

God defines what a legitimate civil leader is in Romans 13. Sure, you can pray for a lost soul who happens to be a illegitimate civil leader to give the people the knowledge to vote him out of office and that he repents after it's done,, but you don't pray for an illegitimate civil leader, hoping that evil becomes good.

Who is "we" ...ahem..."Lon"? We are definitely not brothers in Christ.

I didn't know you weren't a believer? Had no idea.

Again ....ahem..."Lon" there is no "we". If followers of Christ decide to take civil government seriously, they'll follow God's commandments in Exodus 18:21, Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2;13-15 and God-fearing men who punish evil and promote good will once again be in politics.

One has nothing to do with the other regarding who is and who is not a Christian. Politics are a worldly affair. No side, at this time, represents Christians well. Until such a time, I'll do what I'm called to do in being a light and trying to lead others to Him. There is a huge difference between Christ's work on this earth, and trying to effect secular institutions. We need to pray, vote, etc. but the Christian's job is souls, CW. If you missed that, you are no longer having HIS work as your primary concern. When is the last time you prayed for a soul to come to Christ? When is the last time you shared the gospel? When is the last time you led another to Jesus? You need to be about HIS work. The rest, I assure you, is secondary. Christians love Jesus. Period.

aCultureWarrior said:
Then you must be a big fan of Rex Tillerson, former head of the Boy Scouts of America and Trump's first Secretary of State who "prayed" over whether Scouts who identify as homosexual should be allowed to be in Scouts while going against it's "morally straight" doctrine.

I'm not caught up in the world, CW. I hurt for all who are without Christ. Our government, specifically the court system (which is culprit, not the rest) will continue to rule against any Christianity within public life because they do not understand one cannot separate church in state the way they are thinking, without doing much harm. They are legislating out God. It isn't possible without legislating out morals. If you and I were to get involved in politics. it needs to be at the court level and the Presidential level when they write laws by executive order.

Caught ya...ahem..."Lon". You earlier said "I want to do what God wants me to do, and support a brother or sister's choice, that they have prayed over."

I ALSO said 'brother or sister.' Did you actually catch me then? You said I'm not your brother. The ONLY way that is possible is if one of us isn't His. You have been fighting with what I believe are genuine brothers and sisters on TOL for awhile now. It doesn't disconnect you from Christ, nor make them nonChristians. What it does do, is confuses what is actually Christ's work for us, and what is simply an extra expression of us in Christ. 2 Timothy 2:4

If Rex Tillerson were a legitimate Christian, he would have prayed for those youth with homosexual desires to seek spiritual and psychological guidance, i.e. to repent, not to give them a license to keep on sinning.

Prayer must be focused on what God wants, not what the sinful individual wants.

Agree.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

aCultureWarrior said:
If followers of Christ decide to take civil government seriously, they'll follow God's commandments in Exodus 18:21, Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2;13-15 and God-fearing men who punish evil and promote good will once again be in politics.

One has nothing to do with the other regarding who is and who is not a Christian. Politics are a worldly affair.

Ah yes, cherry picking Christianity, pick and choose what part of Christianity works for you. Sorry, but you can't embrace Jesus' two greatest commandments (they're commandments, not suggestions) if you don't love God (and His institutions) with all of your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbor as you'd love yourself, and you can't do that if you don't follow God's Word on choosing God fearing political leaders who punish evil and praise those who do good (Romans 13:4 and 1 Peter 2: 14)

aCultureWarrior said:
Since God created the family, the Church and civil government, they are "His".

I wouldn't say He created the civil government.

It's very clear in Romans 13 that God created civil government:

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted,..."

Now you can say that God created civil government.

People should look at civil government the same way they should look at the 2 other institutions ordained by God for the governance of man (the family and the Church).

If two people of the same sex 'marry' and adopt children, they're not a legitimate family in the eyes of God. The family is one man, one woman, united in matrimony and the children that come with the marriage. Nor is a church that teaches that "loving" homosexual relationships are embraced by God. Civil leaders are no different; if they don't punish evil and praise those who do good, then they're not a legitimate civil authority.

Moving on...

 

[aCultureWarrior]

This phony article by some guy named Nathanial Manderson at Salon. com has been floating around the headlines of the internet in the past two days. I'll post the headline and part of the article and then address what the headline should say:

How evangelicals abandoned Christianity — and became "conservatives" instead​

As a pastor I was always uncomfortable using God's word to pressure people to give money to the church. It seemed like a dirty trick: Play on the fear of disappointing God by convincing people on fixed incomes to provide for my livelihood. So I never did, much to the chagrin of my board of trustees. For the past 70 years, however, evangelical leadership has used this fear of God to raise billions of dollars to fight those the evangelicals have deemed to be the enemies of God. This naturally requires a private jet, a television network, a super PAC and a con artist pastor and politician to lead the way.

The first set of enemies were of course the feminists, the pro-choice advocates and the LGBTQ community. Jerry Falwell Sr. said in 1980, "We must stand against the Equal Rights Amendment, the feminist revolution and the homosexual revolution." From that point forward, the blueprint to effect political change for God — and to raise money for that cherished cause — was created. God's call was clear, or so the congregations were told, and the enemies were equally clear. The evangelical movement was born and money started flowing to numerous evangelical organizations. Politicians used evangelical language to win elections, and the God vote became more and more aligned with the Republican Party.

How evangelicals abandoned Christianity — and became "conservatives" instead

And then rainbow flag waver Donald Trump came along and phony evangelical Christians jumped on the rainbow flag waving Trump train and supported the Presidency of Donald Trump.

Here's what the headline of the article should say:

How evangelicals abandoned Christianity, and hence conservatism, and became rainbow flag waving Trump supporters instead.

Left to Right: The late great Jerry Falwell Sr. (RIP) phony Christians/Trump supporters Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham and Robert Jeffress

 

[Lon]

aCultureWarrior said:
If followers of Christ decide to take civil government seriously, they'll follow God's commandments in Exodus 18:21, Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2;13-15 and God-fearing men who punish evil and promote good will once again be in politics.


Ah yes, cherry picking Christianity, pick and choose what part of Christianity works for you. Sorry, but you can't embrace Jesus' two greatest commandments (they're commandments, not suggestions) if you don't love God (and His institutions) with all of your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbor as you'd love yourself, and you can't do that if you don't follow God's Word on choosing God fearing political leaders who punish evil and praise those who do good (Romans 13:4 and 1 Peter 2: 14)

What you 'think' and what you know of scriptures are two different things. It doesn't make you a non-Christian (that is simply ignorance on your part of the scriptures - read them more). Not arrogant but accurate: I'm much more literate in the scriptures than you are. Exodus applies to Jews as a governing body under God. Romans 13 applies to 'lawbreakers' and how to live under human authority. we really aren't 'under' authority in the U.S. Government is by and for the people. Paul and Peter are talking about living according to rules Christians already live by.

aCultureWarrior said:
Since God created the family, the Church and civil government, they are "His".

It's very clear in Romans 13 that God created civil government:


"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted,..."

Now you can say that God created civil government.

'Establishing' isn't the same word as 'created.' Wrong.

People should look at civil government the same way they should look at the 2 other institutions ordained by God for the governance of man (the family and the Church).

Well, God did create families. The church has Christ as the head. Are you Catholic? A Christian? You like drawing lines of separation so I'm not sure where you want to draw lines. I'll leave 'being divisive' to you.

If two people of the same sex 'marry' and adopt children, they're not a legitimate family in the eyes of God.

Agree.

The family is one man, one woman, united in matrimony and the children that come with the marriage.

Agree.

Nor is a church that teaches that "loving" homosexual relationships are embraced by God.

Mine does not. Did your's?

Civil leaders are no different; if they don't punish evil and praise those who do good, then they're not a legitimate civil authority.

Does it mean we can ignore them? What is your prescription? What are you advocating at that point?

 

[ok doser]

Does it mean we can ignore them? What is your prescription? What are you advocating at that point?

What civil authority was in existence in Rome when Paul wrote to the church in Rome?

Was it not the Roman Empire, which had just used its authority to execute Christ?

 

[Lon]

How evangelicals abandoned Christianity, and hence conservatism, and became rainbow flag waving Trump supporters instead.

There are a lot of talking points, but how would a Christian party start? I'm not sure. You are right, we don't have one, how do we get one?

(are we off topic from your thread direction? If so, ignore all this)

 

[Lon]

What civil authority was in existence in Rome when Paul wrote to the church in Rome?

Was it not the Roman Empire, which had just used its authority to execute Christ?

Paul was a Roman citizen, and they were about to execute him as well. He submitted. In America, we have a government quite different 'by the people, for the people.' For me, it complicates things but I'm convinced Christians aren't so much caught up in politics, as in Christ. It doesn't mean we are aloof, but it certainly means priorities. My priority is pointing men and women to the Savior. Politics? I'll vote when I can, try and lobby accordingly, but that is an 'extrinsic' (outside trying to mold from external means). The Lord Jesus Christ and His gospel deal with intrinsic motivation, what changes in the heart of a man. God worked extrinsically with Israel, but Hebrews says clearly that God was changing that from being primarily extrinsic, to intrinsic motivations.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

aCultureWarrior said:
If followers of Christ decide to take civil government seriously, they'll follow God's commandments in Exodus 18:21, Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2;13-15 and God-fearing men who punish evil and promote good will once again be in politics.


Ah yes, cherry picking Christianity, pick and choose what part of Christianity works for you. Sorry, but you can't embrace Jesus' two greatest commandments (they're commandments, not suggestions) if you don't love God (and His institutions) with all of your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbor as you'd love yourself, and you can't do that if you don't follow God's Word on choosing God fearing political leaders who punish evil and praise those who do good (Romans 13:4 and 1 Peter 2: 14)

What you 'think' and what you know of scriptures are two different things. It doesn't make you a non-Christian (that is simply ignorance on your part of the scriptures - read them more).

Explalin how a "Christian" can love God (and His instiituions) with all of his heart, mind and soul if he supports political leaders who stand for things that God abhors? Explain how a "Christian" can love his neighbor as he loves himself when he suppports legislation that allows that neighbor to lawfully engage in behaviors that God abhors?

aCultureWarrior said:
aCultureWarrior said:
Since God created the family, the Church and civil government, they are "His".

It's very clear in Romans 13 that God created civil government:


"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted,..."

Now you can say that God created civil government.

'Establishing' isn't the same word as 'created.' Wrong.

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(sigh, he tries so hard).

I'm much more literate in the scriptures than you are.

As I recall it was Moody Bible College, or was it Notre Dame'? Tell my favorite story again....ahem..."Lon".

Exodus applies to Jews as a governing body under God. Romans 13 applies to 'lawbreakers' and how to live under human authority.

And thou shalt not murder, steal and commit adultery was intended only for Moses and his fellow Jews. Yeah, uh huh.

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
2 Timothy 3:16

 

[aCultureWarrior]

There are a lot of talking points, but how would a Christian party start? I'm not sure. You are right, we don't have one, how do we get one?

(are we off topic from your thread direction? If so, ignore all this)

Come on Lon, throw a "theocracy!" accusation in there.

Civil Government: The Neglected Ministry

CIVIL GOVERNMENT: THE NEGLECTED MINISTRY, by Archie P. Jones

as you well know isn't about starting some "Christian Political Party" it's about electing God-fearing men and women into public office that will legislate and lead morally.

 

[Lon]

Come on Lon, throw a "theocracy!" accusation in there.

Civil Government: The Neglected Ministry

CIVIL GOVERNMENT: THE NEGLECTED MINISTRY, by Archie P. Jones

as you well know isn't about starting some "Christian Political Party" it's about electing God-fearing men and women into public office that will legislate and lead morally.

And when we don't have them? When the nation would (and does) prefer another? How do we vote? What do we do?

 

[Lon]

Ah yes, cherry picking Christianity, pick and choose what part of Christianity works for you. Sorry, but you can't embrace Jesus' two greatest commandments (they're commandments, not suggestions) if you don't love God (and His institutions) with all of your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbor as you'd love yourself, and you can't do that if you don't follow God's Word on choosing God fearing political leaders who punish evil and praise those who do good (Romans 13:4 and 1 Peter 2: 14)

Your theology instruction and bible reading is sorely lacking. You can 'try' and be as arrogant as you like. You have a lot of anger, CW. You even attack the body with NO discernment whatsoever. It is a sin. You are sinning.

Explalin how a "Christian" can love God (and His instiituions)

Adding to the Bible. You did. Just now. It is wrong.

with all of his heart, mind and soul if he supports political leaders who stand for things that God abhors?

You forgot, I voted for someone else? not Trump. Not Biden, not Hilary.

Explain how a "Christian" can love his neighbor as he loves himself when he suppports legislation that allows that neighbor to lawfully engage in behaviors that God abhors?

You LIKE marginalizing. It is in every bit of your fiber. Why? Why CW? Why toss out every believer on the face of the planet?

Since God created the family, the Church and civil government, they are "His".

Family. Yep. Church. Yep. Government? Not exactly. HE is the one that governs.

It's very clear in Romans 13 that God created civil government:


"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted,..."

There you go again, wrong, again. Established. Government is an inbetween for men and women. When the perfect is here, Christ will be on the throne, no other.

Now you can say that God created civil government.

Nope. I can say it is a necessity for men until all is under Christ. You can play along and learn something young man.

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(sigh, he tries so hard).

YOU might be trying hard, but it did nothing for me. I'm right. You are wrong. The end. Nice try young man.

As I recall it was Moody Bible College, or was it Notre Dame'? Tell my favorite story again....ahem..."Lon".

Nope. Nice try young man. Old probably, but you think and act like a child at times.

And thou shalt not murder, steal and commit adultery was intended only for Moses and his fellow Jews. Yeah, uh huh.

Like Paul? He's not going to heaven? Question young man: Why not? He truly broke the Law. Tell me. WHY isn't he separated from God because of it? Think really hard. Quit being arrogant. I've some things to teach you when you aren't being this way, on purpose. You are an angry man. Man's anger does not produce righteousness.

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
2 Timothy 3:16

Yes, and you are woefully behind your studies. Let me help you catch up (unless you are too ignorantly arrogant). Quit being 1) mean 2) divisive 3) mundane and childish 4) arrogant. Learn something from your wiser and betters (or don't). In Christ.

Who is "we" ...ahem..."Lon"? We are definitely not brothers in Christ.

Then you will stand before Him for this. He is Master, YOU the slave. You are so caught up in anger you lack the mature discernment of an adult standing in Christ. Consider your childishness rebuked. You are being a child without discernment nor conveying Christ-like maturity. Grow up, young man. Get a clue from your betters and elders. You are being sinful, angry, and arrogant. James 1:19-21 Get rid of it! You've been rebuked. Not angrily, but scripturally and soundly. Knock this garbage off.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Your theology instruction and bible reading is sorely lacking. You can 'try' and be as arrogant as you like. You have a lot of anger, CW. You even attack the body with NO discernment whatsoever. It is a sin. You are sinning.

I have one question for you...ahem...."Lon" before I move on. I see that TOL's two biggest "I'm not a libertarian!" libertarians have given you quite a few "likes" for your posts. Why do you think those who embrace ideology that goes directly against Judeo-Christian doctrine like what you have to say so much....ahem..."Lon"?

 

[TomO]

I see that TOL's two biggest "I'm not a libertarian!" libertarians have given you quite a few "likes" for your posts.

Awwww....Our little man is jealous.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Awwww....Our little man is jealous.

Say the word "libertarian" and they will appear.

So Tom, what is it that you like so much about...ahem..."Lon's" posts? Could it be that like you "I'm not a libertarian!" libertarians that he's a political anarchist?