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But why did you track down everything 6 has ever said about epistasiswhatsitnonsense?

Because to my recollection he had never deviated from mocking Kondrashov’s synergistic epistasis idea. Tracking that down was nothing more than entering “epistasis” in the TOL search box.
 

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Tracking that down was nothing more than entering “epistasis” in the TOL search box.

Well, tracking down my question only required you to have actually read the post you quoted.

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For the record, I asked whether you've read On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies, the paper in which Einstein claimed to prove the constancy of light speed.

Yes, I have it both in English, and in the native German as it was originally written. I am going to look at it again, because, as I said in an earlier post to you, I don't recall that Einstein tried to prove the constancy of the speed of light. I thought you concurred in that.
 

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Sorry if you got your feelings hurt. Want me to send you a puppy dog too?
Sure. I can take my frustrations with you out on it.
Yes, I have it both in English, and in the native German as it was originally written. I am going to look at it again, because, as I said in an earlier post to you, I don't recall that Einstein tried to prove the constancy of the speed of light. I thought you concurred in that.
No, I didn't.

Let us know when you're ready.

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Yes you did.
No, I didn't. I probably screwed up my wording by trying to stay away from the implication that he succeeded.


In his paper, he presents an attempted proof for the constancy of light speed. Did you find it?

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Oh. I didn't screw anything up. You missed a joke in my reply to your saying "I am not aware that Einstein proved any such thing."

I agree. :)

He didn't prove any such thing. But he tried.

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No, I didn't. I probably screwed up my wording by trying to stay away from the implication that he succeeded.



In his paper, he presents an attempted proof for the constancy of light speed. Did you find it?

The nearest thing I see to what you seem to be saying is in Section "3. Theory of the Transformation of Coordinates and Times from a Stationary System to another System in Uniform Motion of Translation Relative to the Former”. Within that section he states:
“We now have to prove that any ray of light, measured in the moving system, is propagated with the velocity c, if, as we have assumed, this is the case in the stationary system; for we have not as yet furnished the proof that the principle of the constancy of the velocity of light is compatible with the principle of relativity.”​

Is that what you are referring to?
 

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The nearest thing I see to what you seem to be saying is in Section "3. Theory of the Transformation of Coordinates and Times from a Stationary System to another System in Uniform Motion of Translation Relative to the Former”. Within that section he states:
“We now have to prove that any ray of light, measured in the moving system, is propagated with the velocity c, if, as we have assumed, this is the case in the stationary system; for we have not as yet furnished the proof that the principle of the constancy of the velocity of light is compatible with the principle of relativity.”​

Is that what you are referring to?
That would be the introduction.

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That would be the introduction.

At the rate this conversation is going, I just might stomp on that puppy and then send it to you.

If you have something material to say, then just present it so I can look at it and respond. I am not going to prod you for a bunch of little hints. I will look at your posts, but if they are as devoid of specifics as your last few, then I will ignore you.
 

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At the rate this conversation is going, I just might stomp on that puppy and then send it to you.

If you have something material to say, then just present it so I can look at it and respond. I am not going to prod you for a bunch of little hints. I will look at your posts, but if they are as devoid of specifics as your last few, then I will ignore you.
It was a simple question. Einstein attempts to prove the constancy of light speed. You got the paragraph where he introduces it, the next paragraph is the proof.

But, by all means, stomp away. :rolleyes:

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It was a simple question. Einstein attempts to prove the constancy of light speed. You got the paragraph where he introduces it, the next paragraph is the proof.

But, by all means, stomp away. :rolleyes:

The next paragraph is all of two sentences long, with the last part of the second sentence being the standard equation of a spherical wave emanating from the origin of a non-moving Cartesian coordinate system.

The puppy, or what was the puppy, is on its way. Pending something far more substantial than this, I hereby terminate my participation with you on this subject.
 

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The next paragraph is all of two sentences long, with the last part of the second sentence being the standard equation of a spherical wave emanating from the origin of a non-moving Cartesian coordinate system.
If you don't like Einstein's "proof," just say so. :idunno:


“We now have to prove that any ray of light, measured in the moving system, is propagated with the velocity c."



That he spent only a couple of lines on it is hardly my fault, is it?

The puppy, or what was the puppy, is on its way.
Good luck getting it past customs, not to mention the Feds. :chuckle:


Pending something far more substantial than this, I hereby terminate my participation with you on this subject.

:wave2:

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That next two-line paragraph that Stripe says is the proof is actually just mathematically defining a wave in a coordinate system that Einstein then uses in the next couple of pages of his paper.

Stripe is really coo-coo on this one, but I guess he succeeded in suckering me in for a few posts.
 

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Stripe is really coo-coo on this one, but I guess he succeeded in suckering me in for a few posts.

Let's just read the passage in its entirety:


We now have to prove that any ray of light, measured in the moving system, is propagated with the velocity c, if, as we have assumed, this is the case in the stationary system; for we have not as yet furnished the proof that the principle of the constancy of the velocity of light is compatible with the principle of relativity.
At the time when the origin of the coordinates is common to the two systems, let a spherical wave be emitted therefrom, and be propagated with the velocity c in system K.
Transforming this equation with the aid of our equations of transformation we obtain [a solution].
The wave under consideration is therefore no less a spherical wave with velocity of propagation c when viewed in the moving system. This shows that our two fundamental principles are compatible.


— Equations deleted. Source.

Looks to me like Einstein claimed to have proved "that any ray of light, measured in the moving system, is propagated with the velocity c." :idunno:

Are you saying that Einstein did not prove the constancy of the speed of light?
 
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