ECT Who is the man-child of Rev.12?

[tetelestai]

Read the first three chapters.

I have, and the woman is the mother of the man child Christ Jesus, and the mother of those in Christ.

The woman is not Mary, she is the New Jerusalem:

(Gal 4:26) But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

I have, and the woman is the mother of the man child Christ Jesus, and the mother of those in Christ.

Impossible.

 

[tetelestai]

Impossible.

It's only impossible for your Dispensationalism.

(Rev 19:15) Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

It's only impossible for your Dispensationalism.

(Rev 19:15) Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.

Rev 2:26-27 (KJV), again.
The man child in Rev 12 is born in a tribulation context.

 

[Tambora]

Does this passage from Micah not hint strongly at being parallel with Rev 12?

Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the Lord shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.
Micah 4:10

The seeming implication would be that the daughter of Zion is the woman - Israel - and the man-child is Jesus. Rev 12:5 certainly makes the man-child identification pretty hard to defy. And reading Rev 12:13 certainly seems to point towards Satan's persecution of Israel (both known and scattered).

That's the way I see it.
The woman is Israel, the man child is Christ.

 

[Ktoyou]

Impossible.

Yes, it is impossible when he has his mind already made up, and why that is, I do not know?

 

[glorydaz]

That's the way I see it.
The woman is Israel, the man child is Christ.

Me too. :thumb:

Rev. 1:19
Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;​

 

[Cross Reference]

The woman in Revelation 12 is NOT Mary.

Good! I am glad you understand that! Step in the right direction!

 

[Cross Reference]

Me too. :thumb:

Rev. 1:19
Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;​

Israel doesn't birth anyone who gets immediately caught away either in the multi-membered role or singular one.



FWT. The woman leaves behind a remnant that will go through the tribulation. Interested? . . .

 

[Cross Reference]

Rev 2:26-27 (KJV), again.
The man child in Rev 12 is born in a tribulation context.

Yes! Right in the middle.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

The woman is not Mary, she is the New Jerusalem:

(Gal 4:26) But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.

So, the new Jerusalem (which is above) experienced this?


6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

 

[Danoh]

The woman in Revelation 12 is NOT Mary.

You know, brother, you often do that kind of thing; you respond to a thing that was not asserted in the first place. As if yours is a process at guessing at a thing.

Just sayin...

 

[tetelestai]

Rev 2:26-27 (KJV), again.
The man child in Rev 12 is born in a tribulation context.

Nope.

There are 3 main characters in chp 12: the woman, the dragon, and the man child.

There are 3 main events in chp 12: the birth of the man child, the dragon getting cast out of heaven, and the dragon making war with the woman and the rest of her children.

The man child who rules the nations is Christ Jesus

(Psalm 2:7-9 KJV) 7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

As we see above, Psalm 2:9 tells us it is Christ Jesus who rules with a rod of iron.

Now we turn to Acts 13:

(Acts 13:33 KJV) God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

As we see in Acts 13:33, Christ Jesus is said to be "begotten", not when He was born, but when He ascended to heaven.

Satan thought he was going to destroy Christ Jesus at the cross. However, he was wrong. Instead, Christ Jesus ascended up to the throne.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

The man child who rules the nations is Christ Jesus

Rev 2:26-27(KJV),

once again.

 

[glorydaz]

Israel doesn't birth anyone who gets immediately caught away either in the multi-membered role or singular one.



FWT. The woman leaves behind a remnant that will go through the tribulation. Interested? . . .

I'm always interested in Revelation, and I've looked at it from may angles, but I've yet to be convinced any one of those angles is THE correct one.

 

[tetelestai]

You know, brother, you often do that kind of thing; you respond to a thing that was not asserted in the first place. As if yours is a process at guessing at a thing.

Just sayin...

Um.......I was agreeing with him.

 

[tetelestai]

So, the new Jerusalem (which is above) experienced this?


6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Yes

 

[tetelestai]

Rev 2:26-27(KJV),

once again.

What part about the woman having "other offspring" do you not understand?

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Yes

Explain how the New Jerusalem hid out in the wilderness.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

What part about the woman having "other offspring" do you not understand?

The remnant of her seed are around after the man child is caught up.

You cannot escape it,

Rev 2:26-27 (KJV).

This is the man child. No escape.