WHO IS THE CHURCH OF GOD?

Trump Gurl

Credo in Unum Deum
Peter was both. He and other saved jews belonged to national israel and spiritual israel. Now the saved Gentiles belong to Spiritual Israel not national israel, along with Saved Jews.

That is actually correct. You have so many thing right, its too bad you ae a calvinist. :)
 

Trump Gurl

Credo in Unum Deum
I would venture a guess that the Eastern Orthodox Churches would say exactly the opposite, and claim they are the true original Church

That is correct.

Mind you, The Coptic Church is pretty ancient...

All the ancient Liturgical churches trace themselves back to the apostles. One thing is for darn sure, no protestant church was established by Jesus, and protestant teachings would be ghastly to Jesus.
 

Trump Gurl

Credo in Unum Deum
Maybe. but I suspect that the behavior of the Catholic Church over many centuries wouldn't exactly meet with Jesus's approval either.

I am quite sure the same could be said of Jews, so don't confuse the acts of individual sinners with the Church itself.
And also, don't believe everything you hear.
 

oatmeal

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Galatians 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

The members of the church of God were Jews and Gentiles who believed the preaching of Jesus, Peter and the disciples. These Jews and Gentiles are kingdom saints who believed the gospel of the kingdom (Matthew 4:23), the prophetic kingdom on earth, in which, they would reign with Christ; they believed on the name of Jesus, that he is the Son of God, the Christ (John 3:18 John 20:31).

The body of Christ is the church formed in this dispensation of grace, composed of Jew and Gentile who believe Paul's gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20:24 1 Corinthians 15:3-4). The body of Christ was not revealed or formed before Paul's conversion (Ephesians 3:2-9 1 Timothy 1:16).

The church of God consists of all who are purchased by the blood of Jesus, both the kingdom saints and the body of Christ.

These Jews and Gentiles, the kingdom saints, were members of the church of God, not the body of Christ.
I Corinthians 10:32. Give none offense neither to the Jews nor the gentiles nor to the Church of God

when when Jews are gentiles turn to God and do Romans 10:9 they are saved and become members in the Church of God members in particular in the body of Christ those who have been saved are neither Jews nor gentiles except in heritage
 

DougE

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I Corinthians 10:32. Give none offense neither to the Jews nor the gentiles nor to the Church of God
when when Jews are gentiles turn to God and do Romans 10:9 they are saved and become members in the Church of God members in particular in the body of Christ those who have been saved are neither Jews nor gentiles except in heritage
Yes they are neither Jews or Gentiles in the body of Christ, they are one new man.

Just to clarify Romans 10:9 is for Israel....they had to confess Jesus:
Matthew 10:32-33 KJV - 32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

John 9:22 KJV - These [words] spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

John 12:42 KJV - Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess [him], lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
 

beloved57

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douge

Just to clarify Romans 10:9 is for Israel....they had to confess Jesus:

False Rom 10 12

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
 

Nanja

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Thats the two different Israels, believing saved Israel which is Abrahams Spiritual Seed, and unregenerate israel his physical seed. Cant you see that Paul says they are two separate Israels. Now the saved believing Israel is the Church that belongs to Christ, the unregenerate nation of israel doesnt belong to Christ, they are merely Abrahams physical descendants.

Exactly Brother !

The Church of God is the Body of Christ, whose Name is Israel Is. 49:3, which were Chosen in union with Him of the Father before the foundation of the World Eph. 1:4-5.

Eph. 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Acts 13:23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

CP to:

1 Cor. 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Notice, His People, the Church; and not all people without exception;
But His People: And not all ethnic jews either, for all ethnic jews are not His People; some had the devil for their father John 8:42-44.

But the Children of Promise were counted for the Seed of Christ, the Spiritual Seed of Abraham Gal. 3:16.

Hence, the Church of God, the Body of Christ Eph. 1:4 is the Israel of God which is counted for His Seed .

Rom. 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. So it's the Spiritual Israel of God, composed of both jew and gentile, for whom Christ which was counted for the Seed [The Israel of God] whom Christ gave His Life for.

Eph. 5:25-27

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
 

DougE

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douge



False Rom 10 12

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Paul is speaking of Gentiles who believed the gospel of the kingdom and were part of the remnant of Israel.

Paul was talking about Israel in Romans 9 thru 11:
Romans 9:3-4 KJV - 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises;

Paul is talking about the remnant of Israel, which also included believing Gentiles:
Romans 9:24 KJV - Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Romans 9:27 KJV - Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Romans 10:9 are both the Jews and Gentiles in the remnant that call on the Lord.
 

beloved57

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Paul is speaking of Gentiles who believed the gospel of the kingdom and were part of the remnant of Israel.

Paul was talking about Israel in Romans 9 thru 11:
Romans 9:3-4 KJV - 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises;

Paul is talking about the remnant of Israel, which also included believing Gentiles:
Romans 9:24 KJV - Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Romans 9:27 KJV - Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Romans 10:9 are both the Jews and Gentiles in the remnant that call on the Lord.
Justifying your obvious error.
 

DAN P

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No one is being excluded in Rom 9 6, its being pointed out there that there are 2 Israels.
And in Rom 9:7 the Greek words SHALL /KALEO is in the FUTURE TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE , and in the INDICATIVE MOOD .
And the Greek word CALLED / KALEO is also in the FUTURE TENSE , and teh MOOD means it is a FACT .

So why the FUTURE TENSE ?

Only the seed of Isaac will your SEED be CALLED /KELO and will be seen in the MILLENNIUM KINGDOM as written in Matt 8:11 .

By the way the Greek word SEED / SPERMA is a noun , PERSONAL / POSSESSIVE / PRONOUN in the DATIVE CASE .

And that means it can be in the Subjective , Objective , or in the Possessive .

I believe it is in the POSSESSIVE .

dan p
 
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beloved57

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And in Rom 9:7 the Greek words SHALL /KALEO is in the FUTURE TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE , and in the INDICATIVE MOOD .
And the Greek word CALLED / KALEO is also in the FUTURE TENSE , and teh MOOD means it is a FACT .

So why the FUTURE TENSE ?

Only the seed of Isaac will your SEED be CALLED /KELO and will be seen in the MILLENNIUM KINGDOM as written in Matt 8:11 .

By the way the Greek word SEED / SPERMA is a noun , PERSONAL / POSSESSIVE / PRONOUN in the DATIVE CASE .

And that means it can be in the Subjective , Objective , or in the Possessive .

I believe it is in the POSSESSIVE .

dan p
Huh ? You not making any sense, no relevancy.
 

DAN P

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Still no relevancy.
And the Greek FUTURE TENSE means it will happen in the FUTURE !

The PASSIVE VOICE means that is CHRIST thatbis causing nthe ACTION !

The INDICATIVE MOOD means is that verse is a FACT .

I guess , that this is what happens , when your FOCUS is out side of what the Greek text really means .

dan p
 

Idolater

"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
Maybe. but I suspect that the behavior of the Catholic Church over many centuries wouldn't exactly meet with Jesus's approval either.
Their gift is to preside over the celebration of the Church institutions known as the sacraments, and to preserve the deposit of faith, the totality of the divine teaching tradition, passed down from the Apostles, who received it from Christ.

I'm talking about the pastorate known as bishops. They aren't gifted in any other areas, they are just men in every other area, and absolutely, they have stumbled and fallen, over all these centuries, quite a few times. Hopefully like everything, these areas of weakness are made less and less relevant over time.
 
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