2 Peter 3:16 KJV -
Where Is Muhammad Ali Now?
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Ben Masada
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I think the reason is because he would have trouble in distinguishing between the true Jew in Jesus and the false one in himself.
Ben Masada
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It means that Paul didn't even go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before him but preserved his gospel to be of his own and not similar to any other gospel which he would curse it for being a different gospel.
Arthur Brain
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Some people are pompous, arrogant self righteous jerks who would be seemingly miffed if their 'lesser' neighbour didn't suffer in their conception of "hell". This & Nick M's thread being cases in point. There's about as much love, compassion and empathy amid some of you fundamentalists as there is at a Westboro protest rally at soldiers funerals.
Arthur Brain
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Well if all people are to be 'saved' etc then why are are some of you lot going on about Ali being in "hell"?
annabenedetti
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But.. but.. they're evangelizing...
Arthur Brain
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Fertilizing more like...
Arthur Brain
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Why 'unfortunately'? Aren't you one of those guys who looks forward to seeing the "wicked" suffer? Ya know, the same fallible flesh and blood creatures that you happen to be part of but yet you display nothing resembling love or empathy whatsoever?
Don't use the word 'unfortunately' Nick. You thrive on your bloodthirsty and imagined superiority to others even if it isn't grounded in anything resembling intelligence. Rejoice in your puritanism dude, cos there ain't no love in you that's for sure.
Not only that but scripture says death and hell will be destroyed.
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Because Tardly, God would rather you come to repentance. Instead you choose to shake your fist at him and blaspheme. It isn't until you try and take people with you that you face rebuke. I'd say get a life, but why bother with a :loser: like you.
"Truth is hate to those who hate the truth." ~ Bob Enyart Ge 6:3
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Hell
As a reminder Caino is number 38 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. :burnlib:
You don't know what you're talking about Buzzard.
Huckleberry
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Because that's not true. If you check the NKJV, which Heir quotes here, you'll see some specific alterations Heir made to the above verses. Most pointedly, 1 Timothy 2:4 ("Who will have all men to be saved..."). Click the link and you'll find that the verse actually says, "Who desires that all men be saved...". Now, admittedly, if you dig down in to the roots of the word choice there, you find a more accurate translation is, "Who strongly wills/desires that all men be saved...")
But the point remains, one must either accept that we have the free will to deny God even those things that He strongly wills/desires or we must accept that even Calvinists don't go far enough in claiming life, the universe and everything therein must necessarily conform to the will of God. Even Calvinists believe people go to hell, after all, which Heir seems to deny.
Anyway. Short answer: Heir is either wrong or lying, which should answer your question.
heir
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Mohammad Ali can't do anything about salvation now. It's too late for him, but it's not for you. Trust the Lord believing 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV!
heir
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All of the verses I cite are from the KJB. God's word needs no improvement...as in "New King James".
The due time message that salvation is to all men as the man Christ Jesus gave Himself a ransom for all revealing God's will is that all men be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth is to the exclusion of none as in available to all men! I do not believe all will be saved anymore than God does as He knows some will receive not the love of the truth that they can be saved like AB (2 Thessalonians 2:10 KJV). That said, it is the will of God that all men be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth as in salvation is to all men by the faith of Jesus Christ (Romans 3:21-22 KJV).It is up to each individual to believe 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV!
heir
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1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV You see no such haha from me. I deserve death just like you, but instead of me having to die, Christ took my place (Romans 4:25 KJV, Romans 6:23 KJV). He took yours too (Galatians 3:22 KJV). Believe that when Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again, He did it for you and you will be saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV)
heir
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1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV
I came to Christ through that very verse.
Before that, I considered Christians and Christianity foolish.
I thought I was wiser and that Christians were settling for a psychological crutch to help them avoid reality.
Through that verse and the others surrounding it, I came to realize that I was the fool.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.