If adultery was a capital crime, as it should be, I seriously doubt that Bob would have ever participated in the act.
:thumb:Nor would millions.
I'm not afraid of being judged, I am not condemned and I have been forgiven.MT 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. Not only did God give us the right, but he also gave us the commandment to do so! LK 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: It cannot be clearer than that unless you have blocked your ears against it
I've learned from the best. I notice you didn't bother responding to my questions in that thread...Yeah, after about three or four posts, this stipe, person, has decided that I am not even a Christian. He would have made a good Catholic during the Inquisition... a real heretic hunter!
I remember that thread!:doh:No matter which thread I read, this all comes back to the same thing. The traditional interpretation of Jesus lacks the philosophical evidence that support Jesus being a mushroom.
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Wouldn't you agree that if it was a capital crime, and Bob was guilty, that he would support a law demanding his execution?
That should put an end to all the morons on this site who are critical of his views about this subject.Of course.
He has be known to say that if only one family in the country could be held under God's criminal justice system, he'd want it to be his own.
That should put an end to all the morons on this site who are critical of his views about this subject.
This is ridiculous . . .
All men, including Bob and his family, are held under God's criminal justice system, and declared guilty.
That is why God sent a Savior.
To free men (hopefully including Bob and his family) from the guilt incurred for failing to perfectly obey God's criminal justice system.
Why do we need politicians and another govenmental system, to reveal God's Law; or to fix what Jesus Christ has already fixed?
Makes no sense to me . . .
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You show your ignorance and inability to understand simple concepts in every single post.
I'm not afraid of being judged, I am not condemned and I have been forgiven.
So .. what's stopping me promoting the death penalty again?
You show your ignorance and inability to understand simple concepts in every single post.
So according to your logic, a repentant murderer should judge current murderers since the repentant one has removed the log from his eye ... and a repentant child molester or rapist or ........ etc!Bob has been judged according to God's righteous standard, and has judged himself. He knows exactly what he did, and how and why it was wrong. Because of what he now knows he has removed the log from his own eye. It is no longer there.
So people will better recognise that something is wrong if they read it is 'illegal' according to humans, rather than read scripture and find it is 'unlawful' according to God. You are all for promoting human rules over God's rules ... but again you would need to read scripture to discover that OT and Jesus had much to say about that ... seems it's easier and more important for you to digest Bob's words than God's Words.Bob's proposal has nothing to do with sin, or sinners. It's about crime, and criminals. And he would like to see these things take place, not because he hates criminals, but because he loves people. Criminals would hurt far less people, and far less people would become criminals. That is what Bob wants to see, because he loves people.
Sinners. Not criminals. And when a criminal repents of their sins, God rejoices. But they should still pay for their crimes. And death is more merciful than life in prison. For all involved. Why do you think so many prisoners commit suicide?
Again, who said anything about sinners? Huh?
Why do sinners repent? It's because they know what they have done is wrong. If it's illegal, they are more likely to realize that it's wrong. Especially if they are facing the ultimate conclusion of that wrong. Therefore they are more likely to repent. And most people are less likely to commit those acts in the first place. And even the ones that aren't crimes, it is easier for people to see the error of those as well, because the crimes are treated as such, so the gravity of those that aren't crimes is easier to recognize. But if you lessen the gravity of the worst ones, then you lessen the gravity of the lesser ones.
When did Jesus command mercy? Who did He command mercy from?
Irrelevant to the conversation.This is ridiculous . . .
All men, including Bob and his family, are held under God's criminal justice system, and declared guilty.
That is why God sent a Savior.
To free men (hopefully including Bob and his family) from the guilt incurred for failing to perfectly obey God's criminal justice system.
It's not about revealing God's Law. It is not about what Jesus has "fixed". Are you claiming that you should be exempt from punishment by your local government for running a stop sign? Is Jesus going to "fix" your ticket? Should children be exempt from punishment from their parents if they lie, cheat, or steal? If a Christian commits adultery, murders, fornicates, etc., should the government just ignore it?Why do we need politicians and another govenmental system, to reveal God's Law; or to fix what Jesus Christ has already fixed?
It seems Mystery and d2i have already answered this question. If this was a law, and Bob was guilty, he would support his own execution.So when Enyart is guilty of adultery it is a sin that can be repented of but when others commit the same sin, he wants it to be classed as a capital punishment crime ... gotcha
Thanks for explaining his view of love
Jesus said to treat others as we wish to be treated but Bob says treat sinners differently to him and class them as criminals ... gotcha
thanks for explaining
Yes.So according to your logic, a repentant murderer should judge current murderers since the repentant one has removed the log from his eye ... and a repentant child molester or rapist or ........ etc!
Those who repent are forgiven. Those who do not, are not. Not by God. And they should therefore not be forgiven by us. In the story you are referencing, the servant who was not forgiven was actually seeking forgiveness. He was repentant. Pay attention to the details.Interesting notion to select a forgiven sinner/criminal (since sin is breaking God's Laws and Law-breaking is criminal behaviour) to condemn someone who has simply done the same as what the forgiven one has done. Jesus told a parable about that ... try reading about the forgiven servant who refused to forgive a fellow servant!
Actually, his wife left him, and did not want him back. In fact, I'm pretty sure she got remarried. And when you have been forgiven by God, you are then free to get remarried. Remember the cross?So since Bob has repented, he has proven this by returning to his first wife or living alone rather than in adultery according to definition given by Jesus?
He has stopped committing adultery.In this way you have proof that he is repentant? I'm very happy for him to have grown in such righteousness to display the teachings of Jesus in action rather than spruke hypocritical words.
Do you have any idea how many people ignore God? Sometimes a government has to make a law for people to listen, because they would rather listen to men than to God. And they are still God's rules. Not man's. If it were up to me, and I had no regard for God's rules, I would advocate thieves getting their hands cut off, and those who support abortion, even if they never had one, would be shot in the head. Mostly for the disgusting disregard they spout about unborn children.So people will better recognise that something is wrong if they read it is 'illegal' according to humans, rather than read scripture and find it is 'unlawful' according to God. You are all for promoting human rules over God's rules ... but again you would need to read scripture to discover that OT and Jesus had much to say about that ... seems it's easier and more important for you to digest Bob's words than God's Words.
No, I don't think they should. I just think they will. Because people hate God. And Bob would not be king. You are such an idiot. And Jesus never advocated letting criminals off. He only advocated forgiving the repentant of their sins.So you think people should take more notice of a national law than they should of God's Law ... they can overlook something that God says but not overlook something their chosen 'king' says. So you can scrap all that Jesus taught about mercy and forgiveness and everything else he said and simply heed King Bob who is going to be more important than God! Wow!
I don't think lying should be a crime, unless it's perjury. I don't think lust should be a crime. I don't think worshiping other gods should be a crime. So no, I do not want to see the definition of 'sin' changed to 'crime.' Nor do I think those who are guilty of crimes should be imposing penalties on others who are. Unless they've already received their punishment, and have reformed.So you would like to see the definition of 'sin' changed to 'crime' and have current or past sinners/criminals impose death sentence on other equal sinners/criminals and claim that is love ... since Jesus commanded we love others as ourselves and treat others as we wish to be treated (except Jesus promoted forgiveness over condemnation ... but you prefer Enyart to Jesus)
How stupid are you? Really? You can't be this stupid.The only way to carry this out speedily would involve a nuclear weapon since the entire adult population would be on death row and babies and young children cannot fend for themselves and it would be unkind to have them slowly die of starvation etc since you don't want criminals to slowly suffer in jails ... such humanity!
Sin. Not crime. What of it? He still never commanded governments to have mercy on criminals.Oh you missed that because you were reading Bob instead of Jesus ... try here to start with and maybe you can then consider reading the rest of what Jesus said!
MT 9:13 But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mercy on whom? Criminals? Was the mercy shown to the thieves, or their victim?LK 10:37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
Do I have any logs in my eye?Jesus was addressing self-righteous religious hypocrites who thought they were more righteous than others and believed they were right with God and assumed they should be authorised to tell others what to do!!!!!!!!
They thought they had no logs in their eyes! They were wrong!
I didn't say that, did I? I asked a question so that you could provide your evidence, which I knew did not exist. Not evidence that Christ ever commanded mercy for criminals. I knew that anytime Christ commanded mercy, it was not on those who were guilty of crime.You can assume to tell us what 'Bob' says yet you could not even find a simple instance of Jesus commanding mercy!
What log? And who are you to judge me? Have you removed the log from your eye first?If you get the log out of your eye maybe you could read what JESUS said for yourself instead of relying on hearing radio Bob who says opposite of Jesus!
I quote Jesus constantly.You can quote who you like yet you avoid going directly to the source ... you quote before and after Jesus but you avoid going directly TO Jesus ...
And?Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.
Joh 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
Joh 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
He was talking to those who would not receive Him. What of it?Now who do you think he was talking to?
Hint ... I'm not one of the 'yes-sir' back-patting group that promotes alternatives to Jesus!
When did Jesus command mercy? Who did He command mercy from?
Oh you missed that because you were reading Bob instead of Jesus ... try here to start with and maybe you can then consider reading the rest of what Jesus said!
MT 9:13 But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
LK 10:37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
Jesus was addressing self-righteous religious hypocrites who thought they were more righteous than others and believed they were right with God and assumed they should be authorised to tell others what to do!!!!!!!!
They thought they had no logs in their eyes! They were wrong!
You can assume to tell us what 'Bob' says yet you could not even find a simple instance of Jesus commanding mercy!
If you get the log out of your eye maybe you could read what JESUS said for yourself instead of relying on hearing radio Bob who says opposite of Jesus!
Pay attention to the details.
Mercy on whom? Criminals? Was the mercy shown to the thieves, or their victim?
Do I have any logs in my eye?
I didn't say that, did I? I asked a question so that you could provide your evidence, which I knew did not exist. Not evidence that Christ ever commanded mercy for criminals. I knew that anytime Christ commanded mercy, it was not on those who were guilty of crime.
Bob has been judged according to God's righteous standard, and has judged himself. He knows exactly what he did, and how and why it was wrong. Because of what he now knows he has removed the log from his own eye. It is no longer there.
Bob's proposal has nothing to do with sin, or sinners. It's about crime, and criminals. And he would like to see these things take place, not because he hates criminals, but because he loves people. Criminals would hurt far less people, and far less people would become criminals. That is what Bob wants to see, because he loves people.
Sinners. Not criminals. And when a criminal repents of their sins, God rejoices. But they should still pay for their crimes. And death is more merciful than life in prison. For all involved. Why do you think so many prisoners commit suicide?
Again, who said anything about sinners? Huh?
Why do sinners repent? It's because they know what they have done is wrong. If it's illegal, they are more likely to realize that it's wrong. Especially if they are facing the ultimate conclusion of that wrong. Therefore they are more likely to repent. And most people are less likely to commit those acts in the first place. And even the ones that aren't crimes, it is easier for people to see the error of those as well, because the crimes are treated as such, so the gravity of those that aren't crimes is easier to recognize. But if you lessen the gravity of the worst ones, then you lessen the gravity of the lesser ones.
So according to your logic, a repentant murderer should judge current murderers since the repentant one has removed the log from his eye ... and a repentant child molester or rapist or ........ etc!
Interesting notion to select a forgiven sinner/criminal (since sin is breaking God's Laws and Law-breaking is criminal behaviour) to condemn someone who has simply done the same as what the forgiven one has done. Jesus told a parable about that ... try reading about the forgiven servant who refused to forgive a fellow servant!
So you would like to see the definition of 'sin' changed to 'crime' and have current or past sinners/criminals impose death sentence on other equal sinners/criminals and claim that is love ... since Jesus commanded we love others as ourselves and treat others as we wish to be treated (except Jesus promoted forgiveness over condemnation ... but you prefer Enyart to Jesus)
Yes.
Those who repent are forgiven. Those who do not, are not. Not by God. And they should therefore not be forgiven by us. In the story you are referencing, the servant who was not forgiven was actually seeking forgiveness. He was repentant. Pay attention to the details.
He has stopped committing adultery.
And Jesus never advocated letting criminals off. He only advocated forgiving the repentant of their sins.
I don't think lying should be a crime, unless it's perjury. I don't think lust should be a crime. I don't think worshiping other gods should be a crime. So no, I do not want to see the definition of 'sin' changed to 'crime.' Nor do I think those who are guilty of crimes should be imposing penalties on others who are. Unless they've already received their punishment, and have reformed.
And I also believe that if I were guilty of such a crime, I deserve to die. And if it was the law, I would not object to dying, if I were guilty. Just as Paul was.
If this was a law, and Bob was guilty, he would support his own execution.
And Bob also says that if these laws were to be established tomorrow, it would be wrong to make them retro-active. So if someone is guilty of adultery while it is not a crime, it would be unjust to punish them when it becomes a crime, because it was not one when they did it. And that goes for all of them, not just Bob. It would even apply to Bill Clinton.
OK that was unnecessarily long and stupid so I decided to use the speed reading trick of looking at the start and the end to see what the whole thing meant.You .... one.