Sonnet
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You are a deceitful worker and false accuser. You despise and oppose the truth and the trust.
It's sad for me that you think so.
You are a deceitful worker and false accuser. You despise and oppose the truth and the trust.
PS read my signature.
You don't consider any of those who are of the Arminian persuasion to be real Christians?
There's that statement with a question mark again. EE it's your signature statement.
I've reported you for slander - not for a ban but just that you discontinue.
I've reported you for slander - not for a ban but just that you discontinue.
The indictment: Christianity, with no definitive Gospel, is akin to the divided house that Jesus spoke of.
The fact of the matter is simple. You are dead in sin blind and deaf in regard the truth. As such you cannot see the Kingdom of Elohim
"Yah Shua answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born above, he cannot see the kingdom of Elohim".
As regenerate men we proclaim what we have seen and what we have been given to comprehend, but you cannot accept it.
"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness".
Repent, trust and be thou holy.
The Gospel clearly defined.
OK.Evangel.
On the TOL Statement of Faith page it says:
For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered death and was buried.
I am wondering who 'our' are (and asked as much on the thread).
Of course, it does means believers (since it's a statement of faith) - but would TOL admin be willing to say if it includes all people in its provision?
Look, I'm a Calvinist. "All" means all. "All who come to the Lord will be saved." Acts 2:21 Romans 10:13 If you want, reject Calvinism, don't reject God!!!
You have no permission from me to do so.
1) He is not a Calvinist but certainly expresses a lot of similar doctrine. 2) Not all Calvinists are the same, and it sounds like some have done a number on you..
You're quite okay with a God whom you think chooses whomever He wishes to save and passes by the rest? How is this harmonised with the love of God expressed in 1 John 4?
3) Yes, Knight (admin) and most if not all of TOL staff believe "All" applies to everyone ("all people").On the TOL Statement of Faith page it says:
For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered death and was buried.
I am wondering who 'our' are (and asked as much on the thread).
Of course, it does means believers (since it's a statement of faith) - but would TOL admin be willing to say if it includes all people in its provision?
1) He is not a Calvinist but certainly expresses a lot of similar doctrine. 2) Not all Calvinists are the same, and it sounds like some have done a number on you.
3) Yes, Knight (admin) and most if not all of TOL staff believe "All" applies to everyone ("all people").
And it is now that I call [MENTION=15579]1Mind1Spirit[/MENTION] , [MENTION=16629]patrick jane[/MENTION] , [MENTION=6696]Lon[/MENTION] and all others with compassionate heart...
I’m not demanding this from any of you... but it’s coming from me and you are all welcome to do likewise...
[MENTION=16283]Sonnet[/MENTION] ... We Love you and want to spend eternity with you... Jesus Christ wants this even more... I apologize from the bottom of my soul for all of my misrepresentation of Jesus Christ and our over 30,000 variations... but there is still only ONE Jesus Christ... and He Died And Rose to display His Love for you...
My brother... Sonnet... you are running out of reasons to resist His Love. He won’t limit you, but instead bring out even more depth to who you are... as you learn from HIM... Who He is...
I pray that this finds you well and explains that we will never speak all the right words or get it 100 percent right... but He is worth your faith and He will do the rest for you. He will answer your questions... He is worth your returned Love...
Brother... will you let Him in? Do you surrender...? Do you believe and ask Him to help you with your unbelief... that is His Good News and it is yours the grasp!
All my Love to you Sonnet...
PW
So I wouldn't be out of line in saying that two different Gospels are preached by Christians (albeit that the Calvinist one has to be extracted under interrogation)?
Gospel 1:
Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, was buried and was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures...believe in Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved...
Gospel 2:
The above with the proviso that 'our' are the elect and you will only believe if God predetermined that you would (justification for such choice being founded on the fact that all men are so totally depraved that none would ever choose God anyway - so the Good News is that at least He chose some).
Sonnet;
There are not 2 gospels, just 2 points of view of the same gospel and both are correct within their individual scope.
There is the human, earthly, time-bounded view which everyday life teaches us to abide by. We live life linearly and our thinking is finite in scope. To us everything has a beginning and an end. As the Bible is, to a great extent, historical narrative, this type of presentation is natural and normal for us. From this viewpoint it is absolutely true that every soul has opportunity (even responsibility) to believe and be saved. These truths are favoured with Arminian theology.
There is also the heavenly, God's eye view of redemption. It is not restricted by linear time, is infinite in scope, and involves the qualities that God describes about Himself that are beyond our full comprehension: omnipotence, omnipresence, and especially omniscience and sovereignty. God did not have a beginning nor will He have an end. That God is sovereign in all matters of redemption as first instigator of salvation in the sinner's life is taught everywhere. These truths are favoured by Calvinists.
These two viewpoints are not mutually exclusive, only incomplete if not taken together.
In the instance of Limited Atonement, for example, because God is God, and forgiveness is the spiritual act of a God who is Spirit, the blood of Jesus is applied only by Him and without reference to time. Mercy is the causation. How can we then say that God must wait upon an individual's timeline performance for this to occur? Regardless of who we think is responsible for salvation, man or God, or both, because time is not involved, Jesus' blood will never be applied to those who are unsaved and will always be applied to those who are. From His perspective Jesus died for His own whom He foreknew.
But we are not omniscient and are told to carry the Gospel of mercy to the ends of the earth telling everyone they must be saved.