Sonnet
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Both.
Whether scripture is flawed or not is unclear. Certainly, though, I remain baffled by many verses.
Both.
I said you were preaching untruth. If you want to consider yourself a liar, then that's your call.
I don't happen to think your intent is to deceive, so I'll stick with my statement.
I don't believe your "testimony", however, if that's what that was. You're fixing your story to match your false claims. If your intent on that is to deceive, then I guess you are a liar.
I said you were preaching untruth. If you want to consider yourself a liar, then that's your call.
I don't happen to think your intent is to deceive, so I'll stick with my statement.
I don't believe your "testimony", however, if that's what that was. You're fixing your story to match your false claims. If your intent on that is to deceive, then I guess you are a liar.
I sincerely hope you realize how rediculous your voicing your opinion of my testimony is... when I only hinted at a greater fact that is only marginally referenced.
And Glorydaz... if you were getting into divination... don’t... when I say I was furthest from scripture... that was an understatement...
Keep your day efforts and give up the divination.
You know what... I cave in... I’ll let go and share what I think... I think people are so entrenched in theology, religion and religious text that they forget that God still communes with all mankind that will listen.
I get sick and tired of the premise that someone has to believe in the inerrancy of scripture to be saved!
I believe in it! But even if Sonnet never does... Jesus’ Blood is still more than sufficient to bring him all the way home.
If you disagree with my last sentance... then you need to rethink your biblical stance... because the King of All stepped from Eternity and walked among us sinners to show His Love! The least we could do is step out of our camps and do the same for all that we can!
If Sonnets proclaimation of unbelief, but willingness to believe doesn’t make him top priority on this site... then all who try to indoctrinate him or push biblical inerrancy on him need to shut up and clique up with all closed loops of self defeating societies that think witnessing and aiding the seeking involves anything more than Love and assuring them of the effectiveness of Jesus Christ’s DBR and desire to personally have a relationship with them!
The Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ is alive, well and quite capable of bringing a person home with or without scripture!
You believe that God has some degree of 'communication' with all men irrespective of Scripture?
I think that you have also implied that scripture isn't flawless. Is that correct?
Oh dear Lord, now he's preaching from his high horse.
You are simply in ERROR, and you're too high, at the moment, to see it. :sigh:
Whether scripture is flawed or not is unclear. Certainly, though, I remain baffled by many verses.
You are missing the point of what is being taught here.If mankind must have scripture to be saved... then Jesus flat out lied when He spoke the words of John 5:39-40
Did Jesus Lie?
People thought scripture Saved! But Jesus said He Saved and many who “knew scripture” were damned because they refused to turn to Him.
No one is brought into the Kingdom from natural revelation. Romans 1:21–32 shows what people do with natural revelation when left with no other word of God. They repress it, disobey it, exchange it for a lie, disvalue it, and honor those who rebel against it.
All fallen men need special revelation, Scripture, to correct their misinterperations of natural revelation. The existence of nonsense such as Isalm, Buddhism, New Age moonbeams, etc. testifies to man's misunderstandings of natrural revelation. Man needs of a saving promise, a promise that could never be deduced from natural revelation alone requires special revelation. Further, no fallen man is seeking after God, for they have all gone astray and are morally incapable (Jer. 17:9; Mark 7:21-23; Eph. 2:2; Eph. 2:4-5; Titus 3:5; John 3:19; Rom. 3:10-12; 5:6; 6:16-20; Eph. 2:1,3;1 Cor. 2:14).
AMR
I am a SINNER... AND JESUS saves me. A worthless wretch like me! He is perfect Love and I need Him! I don’t deserve His Love, but He Died for me to show me I Matter to Him!
If that’s a high hoarse... then look up and deal with it.
Happy hunting on that humility you’re spouting!
Nonsense. When we preach the Gospel, we preach Jesus Christ. That's where a person hears about Him.
He is lifted up by the preaching of the CROSS.
I now dub thee, Fruit Loop of the Year. :first:
Lord knows I should have Marry Poppinsed out of here! I can’t begin to express how sick it makes me when Sonnet expressed the gospel arrested him when he understood All meant all and then AMR and Crew went on to try to disprove his faith!
Sonnet has doubts about scripture! Oh well! Jesus saves!
Little Sussie is a whore! Oh well! Jesus saves!
Little Johnny likes Cocaine... oh well... Jesus Saves!
Scientist Bob can’t believe in a young earth but is seeking Christ!
Oh well! Jesus Saves!
As Christians... Jesus armed us with the most powerful weapon against unbelief!
God authored ALL! God proved His Love for us with His LIFE... at our hands...
That’s nuclear TRUTH that cuts through all doubt!
Bring them HOME to Jesus and let theology screw them up later! Don’t drive them away before they can even taste the sweetness of Christ’s Love!
It’s that simple! God gave up everything and we need to turn the modern money changing tables over, grab the whips and leave nothing but a person’s own rejection of Jesus Christ’s Love to keep them away! Any other action on our part is a diagrace to Our Dear Jesus Christ who bled and died, was mocked and scourged, shamed and spat on... to show that He LOVES us!
How hard is that! That’s the Gospel!
You are missing the point of what is being taught here.
The Jews' tragic failure to grasp God’s truth was nowhere more clearly manifest than in their approach to the Scriptures. It was not that they were negligent of this magnificent deposit. Jesus himself acknowledges, You diligently study the Scriptures. The form of the verb for the translated diligently and the context demands the indicative. The Jewish leaders of Jesus’ day were undoubtedly diligent students of the Scriptures; they needed no exhortation along these lines.
But Jesus points out that their primary motivation in such diligent study was the hope of final acceptance by God: you think that by them you possess eternal life. The Jewish motivation was that the more study of the law, the more life, and that if a man gains for himself words of the law he has gained for himself life in the world to come.
By contrast, Our Lord insists that there is nothing intrinsically life-giving about studying the Scriptures, if one fails to discern their true content and purpose. These are the Scriptures, Jesus says, that testify about me. This is one of six passages in John’s Gospel where Scripture or some writer of Old Testament Scripture is said to speak or write of Christ (John 1:45; 2:22; 3:10; 5:45–46; 20:9). What is at stake is a comprehensive hermeneutical key. By predictive prophecy, by type, by revelatory event and by anticipatory statute, what we call the Old Testament is understood to point to Christ, his ministry, his teaching, his death and resurrection.
If therefore some of the Jews refuse to come to Jesus for life, that refusal constitutes evidence that they are not reading their Scriptures as they were meant to be read. Their “searching” in the Scriptures makes them deaf to Jesus’ word.
Jesus' message here in paraphrase is clear:
You are disciplined students of the Scriptures, because you think that in studying the Scriptures you have eternal life. Yes, the Scriptures do lead to eternal life. But they do so by leading people to Me. The Scriptures point to Me. How can you read these Scriptures and not believe in Me?
It is only from Scripture (not general revelation) that eternal life is possible for they all testify to the object of our faith: Jesus Christ.
AMR
Interesting that you think that God is nowhere to be found except hidden in scripture. It's not my call to tell you where to find Him; however, if you don't seek Him, you will never find Him in scripture either.
You sound like you sorta know scripture, so tell me; was there something before Christ?
Why would a man want the Gospel?
Well, you'd do well to ask someone other than Evil Eye for advice.
He is too invested to offer you much of anything at this time.
I heard a brother say the other day that God's revelation is a matter of progression...or something like that. I'll have to look back, and see the exact word he used, because it was so true.
The word of God (Scripture) is living...truly living. A text I read forty years ago has taken on a fuller meaning over time. Many times over, in fact. We don't automatically have the whole of God's word revealed to us, any more than we grow to full height or age all at one time. We feed on the word daily, and the Holy Spirit is faithful to give us many "aha" moments.
Don't let the boys try to cram their ideas down your throat. Stick with what is written.
The knowledge of God revealed in creation is sufficient to condemn but not sufficient to save.
And Evil Eye insists HE is the one to save Sonnet. Really? I'll give you that text again.
1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
1 Corinthians 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
Just what, in God's name, makes you think God won't use what Right Divider said, or what AMR says, or any of the other "crew"?
It's all YOU? You are the ONE with the word? :AMR: