Chem trail conspiracy!!!!!
What if climate change is real and human caused--what should Christians do about it?
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Chem trail conspiracy!!!!!
gcthomas
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Yup. It's the complete absence of evidence that does it for me.
gcthomas
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Yeah, the chemtrails! I just watched the 'proof' of chemtrails in a video clip that claims to show the spraying being turnde on and off, but which is simply the planes moving from an area with conditions that produce wingtip vortex contrails to an area which doesn't. It really is amazing how a lack of knowledge in some people is filled by exciting folk theories that are so obvioiusly nothing but hot air to the rest of us.
Derf
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I lived in Orange County California in the late 80s when they were spraying the whole county for fruit flies. Those were some real chemtrails!! The black helicopters would fly low over our neighborhood in formation, and we were all supposed to stay indoors and preferably keep our cars garaged. I guess it helped me to want to clean out our garage enough to get the cars in!
It's pretty plain that nobody who responded here to my post has spent any time at all looking at the evidence I linked to.
1. [sarcasm] The US government has never conducted harmful operations against it's own citizens.[/sarcasm]
2. There is on-the-record testimony before the US Senate from back in the early 1970s that the US military was already capable of storm system creation, drought modification, changing weather patterns, storm steering, earthquake creation and suppression, lightning modification, fog creation and dissipation, etc.... [sarcasm] That the same testimony was already speaking specifically to climate modification being possible doesn't mean anything at all.[/sarcasm]
3. [sarcasm] US weapons technology has basically been at a standstill since the 1970s. [/sarcasm]
4. [sarcasm] The worst place to hide anything is in plain sight. [/sarcasm]
5. [sarcasm] There has never been a government involved in a conspiracy against its own people since the beginning of time. No siree. Politicians and government bureaucrats have a neverending history of being pure as the driven snow. Corruption has never been a part of any government.[/sarcasm]
1. [sarcasm] The US government has never conducted harmful operations against it's own citizens.[/sarcasm]
2. There is on-the-record testimony before the US Senate from back in the early 1970s that the US military was already capable of storm system creation, drought modification, changing weather patterns, storm steering, earthquake creation and suppression, lightning modification, fog creation and dissipation, etc.... [sarcasm] That the same testimony was already speaking specifically to climate modification being possible doesn't mean anything at all.[/sarcasm]
3. [sarcasm] US weapons technology has basically been at a standstill since the 1970s. [/sarcasm]
4. [sarcasm] The worst place to hide anything is in plain sight. [/sarcasm]
5. [sarcasm] There has never been a government involved in a conspiracy against its own people since the beginning of time. No siree. Politicians and government bureaucrats have a neverending history of being pure as the driven snow. Corruption has never been a part of any government.[/sarcasm]
Derf
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I looked up the phrase NASA surface temperature anomaly data, since you didn't give a reference, and landed here:
They had an interesting graphic on the site which showed a timelapse of temperatures around the globe from 1884 to 2016, and they describe it like this: "The time series below shows the five-year average variation of global surface temperatures." I've shown just the 1884 image, but you may go see the whole sequence.
I'm curious as to where the data came from, especially in Antarctica in 1884. Surely there were not temperature stations on Antarctica recording temperature that early?? And if not, did they extrapolate from somewhere nearby, like in the south Pacific, where missionaries were still being killed by the native populations just 20 years before (from "written" history--a biography of John G. Paton. Very intriguing story)? Can we really say that we have sufficient information to derive changes in temperature from those areas?
If not, what are these "data"? Are they "modeled" values? Keep in mind, I'm not saying they are wrong, but how comfortable are we saying that they are right, either?
This goes back to my post earlier about how well we can trust "analysis"? It is valuable, but also suspect. It is "rewritten" history. Not wrong, necessarily, but suspect, just as "written" history can be suspect.
Derf
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And because these statements are false, that makes the chemtrail conspiracy true?
Until the introduction of ocean buoys, the readings taken by ocean vessels were used.
Data is here:
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
Derf
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Thanks for that, Barbarian, but I only see a single point per month of each year. That is not enough data for the image I showed. Is there a more extensive database that your link was drawn from?
gcthomas
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So the fact I discussed a specific item from your links just passed you by, did it? Well, that wasn't worth my effort then, was it?
There is data from geosynchronous and polar-orbit satellites. NOAA has some information on those.
genuineoriginal
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Curious.
The complete lack of evidence that manmade CO2 causes global warming has made me think that global warming is a hoax.
And you came to this conclusion based on your years and indepth study of climate. Must be.
ClimateSanity
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Where is the evidence?
ClimateSanity
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How many times has that data been changed?
ClimateSanity
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You do realize the biggest changes in temperatures will be where there is more landmass?
ClimateSanity
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Let's say your record temperatures claim is correct. Which is more powerful? Water or carbon dioxide?
How much water have we put into the atmosphere through increased irrigation over the same time period?
How do you know it's not the increase in temperatures that is causing the increase in carbon dioxide?
Water vapor absorbs specific wavelengths of infrared and because of the huge surface area of the oceans, the average humidity doesn't change very much. The reason that CO2has such a disproportionate effect on warming is that it absorbs infrared at wavelengths other greenhouse gases do not.
Compared to ocean evaporation? Probably not measurable.
Because humans are dumping huge quantities of CO2 into the atmosphere. So that's not arguable.
Yes. Technology can be the way out of this, if we get it up and running in time.