With the Lord--where he is (Lk 23:43, 2 Co 5:8).
What happens to the Christian at the time of death?
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With the Lord--where he is (Lk 23:43, 2 Co 5:8).
Our bodies will rise.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed [1 Cor. 15:51].
"What is a mystery? We have already discussed it several times. A mystery is something which had not been revealed in the Old Testament but is now revealed in the New Testament. It is something which you cannot learn by the eye–gate or the ear–gate. Nor has it entered into the heart of man—that is, it is not something many would have thought of. It is a fact which must be revealed by God.
“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep”—we are not all going down through the doorway of death. “But we shall all be changed.” Whether you die or don’t die, you must still be changed, friend. Sometimes we hear people say, “I hope I am alive at the coming of Christ; so I will just go into His presence.” Well, before any of us can go into His presence, we’ll have to be changed." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Epistles (1 Corinthians) (electronic ed., Vol. 44, pp. 189–190). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
John 5:29 NASB - 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Acts 24:15 NASB - 15 having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.
Why comment about the circumcision when we are not bound to it and its rules?
When a saint leaves his dead body, he is longer needed to "reckon himself". With the Lord, as the others have stated.
oatmeal
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What does scripture say?
I Thessalonians 4:13-18
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent [precede] them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
When will the dead be with the Lord? verse 16, when Jesus Christ returns to gather up the saints, the dead in Christ shall rise first.... so shall we ever be with the Lord
keypurr
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What is the state of the Dead?
Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion forever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Psa 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day.
All will be raised
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurre2ction of damnation.
When the heart* takes the last beat and the last breath is exhaled. The spirit lives and so the faculties of the mind continue. The journey through time ends and the glorified saint experiences pure and unadulterated bliss. The bliss of exceeding blessing is a foretaste of this experience. That is why it is written,"O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"
heart* the blood pump
In the saints there are moments of exceeding and abundant blessings. Moments when one thinks that gravity is about to lose its grip and that glory can be the only destination. In contrast the wicked and the hypocrite have moments of dread and that dread is a stench of what lies in store for them.
Eternal bliss or eternal dread and terror.
Php. 1:23 But I am pressed between the two, having the desire to depart and to be with Christ, indeed very much better
The stoning of Steven tells you as well.
Php. 1:24 "But I am pressed between the two, having the desire to depart and to be with Christ, indeed very much better"
You'll be going home that day Robert.
oatmeal
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Scripture clearly teaches there is no consciousness in death.
Until a dead person is raised or resurrected, they remain dead, they are not alive in any way, shape or form.
and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.
Yeppers.
I believe so. The wicked will remain awaken though.
I can even tell what to be expected, you may consider this a prophecy;
I (my soul) was pulled up to an almost sit-up position. Then I saw two orange squares, a larger one and a smaller one. The larger one is on top of the smaller one. I looked at that two squares with curiosity, while seeing beams of orange lights emitting from me and going upward. I was then dropped back to the bed and I believed that I had been put to a deep sleep till the very end comes, while I perceived no time in between.
Nutter.
In the above passage, Jesus does NOT bring "those who have fallen asleep" back to planet earth like you Darby Followers claim. Jesus takes them to the kingdom.
You are quoting 1 Thessalonians 4:14 - a totally different verse than i responded to. Lets look at yours though and see what it really says:
The word used in your verse simply means dead/having died, not sleep as in sleep as you understand in english, a different greek word would be used if that were the actual meaning.
So, sorry, no such thing as soul sleep. Our Spirit stays alive and we are with Christ seated in heavenly places. Not snoring in the grave, unconscious.
That's what I believe, I do not believe we come back to planet earth