Correct. All boundaries have been settled by war with few exceptions. When boundaries are bought, slavery increases.
What gives any country the right to determine who rules someone else?
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Correct. All boundaries have been settled by war with few exceptions. When boundaries are bought, slavery increases.
It always comes down to the distribution of wealth.
If you believe all the trouble in Syria is about human suffering and who shall pay for it, well, that is very naive.
If you believe Bashar al-Assad is now the bad guy and the USA is going to get rid of him for human suffering, you are very naive.
All of this is more complex and is about controlling wealth, not concern for humane treatment. Not under the Democrats or Republicans, this does not matter.
Care for humanity is purely spiritual, the flesh only propagates itself to higher degrees of wealth and power.
If you believe all the trouble in Syria is about human suffering and who shall pay for it, well, that is very naive.
If you believe Bashar al-Assad is now the bad guy and the USA is going to get rid of him for human suffering, you are very naive.
All of this is more complex and is about controlling wealth, not concern for humane treatment. Not under the Democrats or Republicans, this does not matter.
Care for humanity is purely spiritual, the flesh only propagates itself to higher degrees of wealth and power.
The United States of America and our NATO allies failed miserably in their God given authority. Missile defense should have been developed by the early 70's, and we nuke them. Maybe they would be more like Japan today.
This may be true. Anyway, Is Israel is quite happy about the attack.
Even when Israel is in the state of disobedience the Abrahamic covenant is continuing and anyone any nation that curses Israel will be met with curse for curse in kind
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I see it written in founding documents, but history is littered with people claiming to do what they do in the name of God. When I weigh those words against the blood that drenches this country, it's hard to get all that excited.
The abuse and blood of Native Americans, Africans, industrial revolution workers, and aborted children witness against the idea that this country was ever founded on inalienable rights given to humans by our Creator.
It's hard to swallow the exploitation of the poor, subjection and murder of whole people groups, and infanticide as an occasional lapse into sin.
Except abortion was widely legal up until the mid 19th century. Why was the country "great" for the first hundred years of abortion, but it's re-legalization in in the mid 20th century removed that greatness?
Sure, Romans 13 talks about the ordination of government and it's purpose. It doesn't talk about the overthrow of oppressive governments, though.
I also realize that God has used tyrannical governments as a way to try and turn His adulterous people back to Him. His desired response has always been repentance, prayer, and reliance on Him, though.
Definitely not. I'm looking forward to a King who will rule the world with a rod of iron, after all.
Yes, I do. I have no political party I identify with. I try my best to be informed, pray, and listen to the leading of the Holy Spirit. I've voted for candidates of many party affiliations at many levels of government. In 2016 I voted for a conservative third party candidate for president. I have no problem voting for a flawed person, and do not expect the president to be perfect or even Christian, but I found both main party candidates to be unsupportable.
Agreed on many of your points there. :thumb:
The blessing of a country is determined by how they treat the Christians in it.
Israel of the middle east is therefore not in a good place with God at all.
but add that many who call themselves christian are not at all.
LA
Is that what doc is talking about though? He seems to be talking about another country determining it, not the people. Or are you saying that another country can help determine who rules a people if it's the same ruler that the people want?
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we never would have won our independence if the French hadn't helped us :idunno:
I wasn't disagreeing with quip if that's what he meant. I was only seeking clarification.
Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Make your case Dave. The country that I live in was once the greatest nation on earth because it broke away from the tyrannical government of England and started a nation where it's citizen's rights come from God.
Regarding the supposed abuse of American Indians: Prior to the settlers from Europe bringing Judeo-Christian doctrine, laws and culture to America, the American Indians were pagan savages that often times cannibalized infant babies, so save your liberal sob stories for someone who doesn't know better. I'd continue by talking about the kidnapping, brutal murder and enslavement of black Africans by other black Africans, but this politically incorrect article will cover that.
Life Styles: Native and Imposed
‘The Blame of Those Ye Better’
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n3p-7_Beary.html
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
There have been injustices done in our once great Christian nation since it's inception, but that doesn't make it's foundation (a nation whose rights come from God) any less worthy of praise. Great men, who like all men, are susceptible to sinful behavior are no less great because they on occasion gave into one or two.
Please be honest David and admit that you're liberal ("exploitation of the poor, subjection and murder of whole people groups" gave it away) that hates the Judeo-Christian based free enterprise system with a passion. That being said:
The infanticide that you're referring to started on a large scale in 1973 and is still continuing today. If the Due Process clause in the Bill of Rights were enforced, there would be 59 million dead babies that would be alive today.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
To answer your question: FDR's Great (socialist) Society was when America really started going down hill. When we as a nation in the early 1970's allowed for the mass murder of the unborn, followed by embracing sexual perversion, we submerged deep into the sewer.
The Founding Fathers and the Right to Life
James Wilson’s “Lectures on Law,” given at what eventually was to become the University of Pennsylvania, clearly affirm that the right to life encompasses the unborn. Wilson was one of only six men to sign both the Declaration and the Constitution, and was a Supreme Court justice from 1789 to 1798. Recognized as “the most learned and profound legal scholar of his generation,” Wilson’s lectures were attended by President George Washington, Vice President John Adams, Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson and a “galaxy of other republican worthies.” For this reason, as constitutional scholar Walter Berns states, “Wilson, when speaking on the law, might be said to be speaking for the Founders generally.” So what do the Founders say about the right to life?
Wilson clearly answers this question: “With consistency, beautiful and undeviating, human life from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law. In the contemplation of law, life begins when the infant is first able to stir in the womb. By the law, life is protected not only from immediate destruction, but from every degree of actual violence, and in some cases, from every degree of danger.”4
Given Wilson’s exegesis, one cannot doubt that the Founders recognized that unborn infants are owed the full protection of the law. The key question thus becomes the point at which the unborn fetus becomes an unborn child.
Wilson, in agreement with the limited medical jurisprudence of his time, assumed that life begins with the “quickening" of the infant in his mother’s womb. As taught by Aristotle, the quickening was the point at which the fetus was infused with a human, rational soul. John Bouvier’s Law Dictionary, first printed in 1839, defines the quickening as follows: “The motion of the foetus, when felt by the mother, is called quickening, and the mother is then said to be quick with child. This happens at different periods of pregnancy in different women, and in different circumstances, but most usually about the fifteenth or sixteenth week after conception….”
Read more: http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/tay/tay_03foundingfather.html
If you want to compare the Founding Fathers and their lack of medical knowledge to the barbarians behind Roe v Wade, make your case, I'll listen.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Before I call you an anarchist Dave...ahem...David, you do realize that it was God who created civil government and set the standard for those who appoint public officials and those who are appointed?
The Bible is full of stories where righteous men helped overthrow oppressive governments. If you don't believe that God approves of such, make your biblical case.
So Nazi Germany could have been defeated solely through prayer?
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Now, let's see if you fit the bill for being an anarchist.
So you're a theocrat who doesn't believe in the people being represented at local, county, state and federal levels.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Do you vote in political elections (local, county, state, federal), and if so, what political party do you usually identify with?
The only conservative 3rd Party candidate that I know of was Darrel Castle of the Constitution Party. Based on your liberal rantings above ( "the exploitation of the poor, subjection and murder of whole people groups") you don't sound like a constitutionalist conservative to me.
Make your case Dave. The country that I live in was once the greatest nation on earth because it broke away from the tyrannical government of England and started a nation where it's citizen's rights come from God.
Regarding the supposed abuse of American Indians: Prior to the settlers from Europe bringing Judeo-Christian doctrine, laws and culture to America, the American Indians were pagan savages that often times cannibalized infant babies, so save your liberal sob stories for someone who doesn't know better. I'd continue by talking about the kidnapping, brutal murder and enslavement of black Africans by other black Africans, but this politically incorrect article will cover that.
Life Styles: Native and Imposed
‘The Blame of Those Ye Better’
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n3p-7_Beary.html
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
There have been injustices done in our once great Christian nation since it's inception, but that doesn't make it's foundation (a nation whose rights come from God) any less worthy of praise. Great men, who like all men, are susceptible to sinful behavior are no less great because they on occasion gave into one or two.
Please be honest David and admit that you're liberal ("exploitation of the poor, subjection and murder of whole people groups" gave it away) that hates the Judeo-Christian based free enterprise system with a passion. That being said:
The infanticide that you're referring to started on a large scale in 1973 and is still continuing today. If the Due Process clause in the Bill of Rights were enforced, there would be 59 million dead babies that would be alive today.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
To answer your question: FDR's Great (socialist) Society was when America really started going down hill. When we as a nation in the early 1970's allowed for the mass murder of the unborn, followed by embracing sexual perversion, we submerged deep into the sewer.
The Founding Fathers and the Right to Life
James Wilson’s “Lectures on Law,” given at what eventually was to become the University of Pennsylvania, clearly affirm that the right to life encompasses the unborn. Wilson was one of only six men to sign both the Declaration and the Constitution, and was a Supreme Court justice from 1789 to 1798. Recognized as “the most learned and profound legal scholar of his generation,” Wilson’s lectures were attended by President George Washington, Vice President John Adams, Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson and a “galaxy of other republican worthies.” For this reason, as constitutional scholar Walter Berns states, “Wilson, when speaking on the law, might be said to be speaking for the Founders generally.” So what do the Founders say about the right to life?
Wilson clearly answers this question: “With consistency, beautiful and undeviating, human life from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law. In the contemplation of law, life begins when the infant is first able to stir in the womb. By the law, life is protected not only from immediate destruction, but from every degree of actual violence, and in some cases, from every degree of danger.”4
Given Wilson’s exegesis, one cannot doubt that the Founders recognized that unborn infants are owed the full protection of the law. The key question thus becomes the point at which the unborn fetus becomes an unborn child.
Wilson, in agreement with the limited medical jurisprudence of his time, assumed that life begins with the “quickening" of the infant in his mother’s womb. As taught by Aristotle, the quickening was the point at which the fetus was infused with a human, rational soul. John Bouvier’s Law Dictionary, first printed in 1839, defines the quickening as follows: “The motion of the foetus, when felt by the mother, is called quickening, and the mother is then said to be quick with child. This happens at different periods of pregnancy in different women, and in different circumstances, but most usually about the fifteenth or sixteenth week after conception….”
Read more: http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/tay/tay_03foundingfather.html
If you want to compare the Founding Fathers and their lack of medical knowledge to the barbarians behind Roe v Wade, make your case, I'll listen.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Before I call you an anarchist Dave...ahem...David, you do realize that it was God who created civil government and set the standard for those who appoint public officials and those who are appointed?
The Bible is full of stories where righteous men helped overthrow oppressive governments. If you don't believe that God approves of such, make your biblical case.
So Nazi Germany could have been defeated solely through prayer?
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Now, let's see if you fit the bill for being an anarchist.
So you're a theocrat who doesn't believe in the people being represented at local, county, state and federal levels.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Do you vote in political elections (local, county, state, federal), and if so, what political party do you usually identify with?
The only conservative 3rd Party candidate that I know of was Darrel Castle of the Constitution Party. Based on your liberal rantings above ( "the exploitation of the poor, subjection and murder of whole people groups") you don't sound like a constitutionalist conservative to me.
No supposition involved. We have enough records of atrocities and deprivations on our part.
So a people who don't know of Christ behave like you'd expect while people who should know better don't and you think the problem is with the former?
lain:You make it sound like someone passed gas at a funeral. A nation and founders who lay claim to God have a greater duty to evidence Him and to approach his standard of conduct in law, instead of institutionalizing national horrors that treated men as animals, women as objects, etc. and led to generations of needless suffering and death.
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Arthur Brain
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Obviously I had to repent for voting for the person God did not elect.
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Arthur Brain
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So, you had to repent for not voting for Obama because that's who God chose to be in power? Why? Because you didn't know or something?
Bat crazy...
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