What Does it Mean to be "Under the Law?"

[Danoh]

Then we do not need to know the 10 commandments?

How about the two great commandments?

"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law" (Romans 7:7).

I'm sure we'll differ on this, but Paul is relating how things had worked under the Law just before Paul this side of Christ's finished work on the Cross.

In this, aspects of what Paul is talking about in Romans 7 are found throughout Romans 2 thru 8.

It is based on all that information that he relates what he is relating in Romans 7.

How that the Law is not sin, because it was the Law that brought one to the awareness of indwelling sin, that one might come to the realization of how utterly hopeless one is, that one might turn to Christ.

Now, although Galatians was written around about ten years or so before Romans, it is based on the doctrine or teaching that Paul had been preaching and teaching all along that he would only later write down as Romans.

Note part of Galatians 3:

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

The purpose of the Law then?

3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Paul is going back and forth between both systems, and how each works, by his "we" and "ye."

So, no, the Law is not sin (transgression, a person or thing at odds with God). It is not against God's will.

Rather, His will through the Law - "the Scripture hath concluded all under sin" has been fulfilled, see Romans 3 and Romans 10.

 

[Danoh]

Unlike you, I do not forget what I look like after I look into a mirror.

James 1:23-25 23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. 25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.​

Nor do I wrest Paul's words and the scriptures to my own destruction.

2 Peter 3:15-17 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.​

So you're into abstract art. You are indeed a genuine original. Awesome.

 

[beloved57]

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What Does it Mean to be "Under the Law?"

To teach that salvation is the result of what a person does, as you teach everyday here !

 

[Ben Masada]

To be under the law is to be judged by the law and condemned.

Not true at all as this is a definition according to the gospel of Paul. To be under the Law is to be a law-abiding citizen. When one is a law-abiding citizen one will never be condemned.

Paul said to the Galatians,"Tell me that you desire to be under the law, DO YOU NOT HEAR THE LAW?" Galatians 4:21.

The point here is that Paul had overturned the Nazarene synagogue of the Galatians into a Christian church, some of the Nazarenes had been sent with the mission to try to recover their church from Paul and many of them were indeed returning to the Sect that the Apostles had organized on behalf of Jesus of Nazareth.

The law was given to the Jews to preserve the nation of Israel until the coming of Jesus Christ. The law, the Old Covenant, the temple, the sacrifices, all of the things that were used in the temple all pointed to Jesus Christ. "Jrdud id yhr rnf snf yhr gulgillmrny og yhr Law, the Old Covenant and the Jewish religion

That's a wrong doctrine from the gospel of Paul. It is called "Replacement Theology."

To live by laws, rules and religion is a denial that Jesus is the end and the fulfillment of the Old Covenant, the law and the Jewish religion. This is why Paul said that the "Just Shall Live by Faith" Romans 1:17. and not by laws, rules and religion that have been abolished.

If we were to follow this method, we would soon or later be living under the law of the jungle as outlaws with no chance to survive in society.

Jesus took us out from under the law because it was contrary to us, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us and took it out of the way nailing it to his cross" Colossians 2:14. It was contrary to us because no one could keep it or do it.

Jesus did nothing of the sort. Rather the opposite was true that he guaranteed that he had not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it as in the sense of confirming it down to the letter. If Jesus could not keep the Law, it is only obvious that he transgressed it and for that matter, he was a sinner and not a paragon of righteousness.

The law is the very nature and character of God. To do or fulfill the law one would have to be Jesus Christ. Not like Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ. This is why Paul said, "But now the righteous of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets" Romans 3:21. Jesus is God's law incarnate in human flesh.

That's a contradictory statement. How could Jesus have come to take out us of the Law aka out of the character of God?

The law says do, The Gospel says done. In our name and on our behalf Jesus has victoriously fulfilled God's Holy Law. After he fulfilled it he abolished it.

Now, Robert is slandering Jesus himself because he made it very sure that he had not come to abolish the Law and now, Robert says that Jesus abolished the Law. Self contradiction.

Christians are no longer required to live according to laws, rules or religion. Those that are still under the law are the unsaved, "Knowing this that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the..." 1 Timothy 1:9.

Does it mean that Christians are supposed to live against the Law? That's simply absurd to humans.

 

[Robert Pate]

Not true at all as this is a definition according to the gospel of Paul. To be under the Law is to be a law-abiding citizen. When one is a law-abiding citizen one will never be condemned.



The point here is that Paul had overturned the Nazarene synagogue of the Galatians into a Christian church, some of the Nazarenes had been sent with the mission to try to recover their church from Paul and many of them were indeed returning to the Sect that the Apostles had organized on behalf of Jesus of Nazareth.



That's a wrong doctrine from the gospel of Paul. It is called "Replacement Theology."



If we were to follow this method, we would soon or later be living under the law of the jungle as outlaws with no chance to survive in society.



Jesus did nothing of the sort. Rather the opposite was true that he guaranteed that he had not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it as in the sense of confirming it down to the letter. If Jesus could not keep the Law, it is only obvious that he transgressed it and for that matter, he was a sinner and not a paragon of righteousness.



That's a contradictory statement. How could Jesus have come to take out us of the Law aka out of the character of God?



Now, Robert is slandering Jesus himself because he made it very sure that he had not come to abolish the Law and now, Robert says that Jesus abolished the Law. Self contradiction.



Does it mean that Christians are supposed to live against the Law? That's simply absurd to humans.

You don't keep the law, nor do you follow the law.

See what Jesus had to say to those who are hypocrites like yourself. Matthew 23:1-39.

 

[Robert Pate]

To be under the law is to be subject to the law.

If you are living by the commandments or the law then you are under the law and will be judged according to the law.

This is what Paul is saying, "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse" Galatians 3:10.

The law does not justify. The law condemns.

 

[patrick jane]

To be under the law is to be subject to the law.

If you are living by the commandments or the law then you are under the law and will be judged according to the law.

This is what Paul is saying, "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse" Galatians 3:10.

The law does not justify. The law condemns.

Absolutely, Amen.

James 2:10 KJV -

 

[jamie]

The law does not justify. The law condemns.

You are wrong again according to scripture.

For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified) Romans 2:12 NKJV)​

 

[Robert Pate]

You are wrong again according to scripture.

For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified) Romans 2:12 NKJV)​

And who do you think are the doers of the law? Notice that it did not say the keepers of the law, simply because no one can keep it, but anyone can do it, even unbelievers can do the law.

The doers of the Law are Christians. However you will not find any scripture that says the law justifies.

 

[genuineoriginal]

If you are living by the commandments or the law then you are under the law and will be judged according to the law.

The doers of the Law are Christians.

:think:

 

[Robert Pate]

:think:

The law demands that you accept Christ as your savior.

We are doers of the law when we believe on Jesus.

 

[genuineoriginal]

The law demands that you accept Christ as your savior.

No it does not.

We are doers of the law when we believe on Jesus.

Please provide chapter and verse that states that.

 

[Robert Pate]

No it does not.


Please provide chapter and verse that states that.

Of course it does. Its God's will and purpose for your life that you believe and accept Christ as your savior. When you do that you are no longer under the law.

 

[beloved57]

Of course it does. Its God's will and purpose for your life that you believe and accept Christ as your savior. When you do that you are no longer under the law.

Thats salvation by works, by what a person does !

 

[beloved57]

The law demands that you accept Christ as your savior.

We are doers of the law when we believe on Jesus.

Then you teach that men are saved by being doers of the Law !

 

[Robert Pate]

Thats salvation by works, by what a person does !

Because you have never called on Christ to save you, you are as hell bound as they come.

 

[beloved57]

Because you have never called on Christ to save you, you are as hell bound as they come.

That's salvation by works, by what a person does, which is denying Christ.

 

[Robert Pate]

That's salvation by works, by what a person does, which is denying Christ.

The New Testament is full of scriptures that you should believe on Jesus.

"He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that does not believe is condemned already" John 3:18.

You are ALREADY condemned because you have not believed on Jesus.

 

[beloved57]

The New Testament is full of scriptures that you should believe on Jesus.

"He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that does not believe is condemned already" John 3:18.

You are ALREADY condemned because you have not believed on Jesus.

Those Christ died for are not condemned already, they are reconciled to God while they are enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10 !

 

[jamie]

The doers of the Law are Christians. However you will not find any scripture that says the law justifies.

Well, I'm glad you finally admit there is law for Christians. In fact, faith is one of the weightier matters of the law.

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. (Matthew 23:23 NKJV)​

If Jesus is correct and faith is one of the weightier aspects of the law that would mean that faith is defined by law. Satan is described as a murderer and a liar, which means Satan is not faithful to God.

However, the law that was extant in Jesus' day as a human has been changed in the context of the NT. That doesn't mean it was destroyed, it just means it was updated to apply to Gentiles and not just Hebrews.

But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror, for he observes himself, goes away and immediately forgets what kind of man he was.

But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does. (James 1:22-25 NKJV)​