US democrats again vote against American oil production

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You don't understand what government welfare is all about. Oil companies do not get corporate welfare. Planned Parenthood, on the other hand, gets corporate welfare and government funding.

Here is a summary of the 2011 oil industry subsidies compiled by Taxpayers for Common Sense in its report, "Subsidy Gusher."
  • Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit - $31 billion.
  • Intangible Drilling Costs - $8.9 billion.
  • Oil and Gas Royalty Relief - $6.9 billion.
  • Percentage Depletion Allowance - $4.327 billion.
  • Refinery Equipment Deductions - $2.3 billion.
  • Geological and Geophysical Costs Tax Credit - $698 million.
  • Natural Gas Distribution Lines - $500 million.
  • Ultradeepwater and Unconventional Natural Gas and other Petroleum Resources R&D - $230 million.
  • Passive Loss Exemption - $105 million.
  • Unconventional Fossil Technology Program - $100 million.
  • Other subsidies - $161 million.

Every year, oil companies get to deduct millions of dollars from their tax bills for the cost of new wells, oil exploration, and other drilling and mining expenses.


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Here is a summary of the 2011 oil industry subsidies compiled by Taxpayers for Common Sense in its report, "Subsidy Gusher."
  • Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit - $31 billion.

Let's look into these unsupported claims, one at a time. The Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit was established to help farmers, consumers, and producers of alternative fuels, but not oil companies. Anyone claiming the credit is a subsidy to oil companies is lying from either ignorance or deliberately. In any case, lying is inexcusable.


At the end of 2011, the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (VEETC), which had subsidized the blending of ethanol in gasoline, was allowed to expire. During its tenure, the subsidy was the subject of intense scrutiny concerning who benefited from its existence. Using commodity price data, we estimate the subsidy incidence accruing to corn farmers, ethanol producers, gasoline blenders, and gasoline consumers around the time of expiration. Our empirical approach contributes methodologically to the event studies literature by analyzing futures contract prices (as opposed to spot prices) when possible. Ultimately, we find compelling evidence that, at the date of VEETC expiration, about 25¢ of the 45¢ subsidy per gallon of ethanol blended was captured by ethanol producers and possibly others further up the agricultural supply chain. We find suggestive, albeit inconclusive, evidence that a portion of this benefit (about 5¢ per gallon) was passed upstream from ethanol producers to corn farmers. Most of the remainder seems most likely to have been captured by the blenders themselves. We find no compelling evidence that any part of the subsidy was captured by oil refiners or by gasoline consumers in the form of lower gasoline prices.
 

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Let's look into these unsupported claims, one at a time. The Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit was established to help farmers, consumers, and producers of alternative fuels, but not oil companies.

Not directly, but the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit does factor into the hidden cost of a gallon of gasoline.
 

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Here is a summary of the 2011 oil industry subsidies compiled by Taxpayers for Common Sense in its report, "Subsidy Gusher."

  • Intangible Drilling Costs - $8.9 billion.
All industries have been allowed deductions for costs associated with their businesses. Leftist democrats want the oil and gas industry shut down, which is why leftists want to eliminate business expense deductions for oil and gas businesses. Who benefits from the deductions? Businesses and consumers. Businesses because lower taxes leave greater breathing room for growth and sustainability. Consumers, because lower business costs mean lower costs of goods in a free market economy.


The deduction for intangible drilling costs has been permitted since the beginning of the income tax code, in order to recognize the risks involved in drilling developmental wells—not every well strikes oil. Only IDCs associated with domestic or offshore wells may be deducted; foreign wells cannot be expensed in this way.

What are the Arguments For and Against the Deduction for Intangible Drilling Costs?

Supporters of the deduction argue that oil and gas and exploration and development is a high-cost industry, and allowing expenses to be recovered immediately encourages companies to invest. They explain that altering the deduction could result in job losses, since wages are included in the deduction.

More broadly, supporters point out that the oil and gas industry receives the same treatment that other manufacturing or extractive industries receive, and are merely a target because of the now-controversial nature of reliance on fossil fuels. Finally, supporters of energy independence often support the IDC deduction, as it promotes further exploration and development of wells within the United States.
 

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All industries have been allowed deductions for costs associated with their businesses.

Just know that the hidden cost of a gallon of gasoline amounts to almost $4 above the price at the pump when corporate subsidies and other expenses are factored in.
 

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Just know that the hidden cost of a gallon of gasoline amounts to almost $4 above the price at the pump when corporate subsidies and other expenses are factored in.
You obviously know nothing about how prices at the pump are determined and regulated. It is stupid to think gas prices are high because of a lack of government regulation and control. Democrats may want people to believe that lie but it is a lie and the propagation of that lie is hurting millions of poor people in America.
 

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You obviously know nothing about how prices at the pump are determined and regulated. It is stupid to think gas prices are high because of a lack of government regulation and control.
That's not what I said, but I realize that you are too propagandized to understand what I said.

When you factor in the cost of subsidies, environmental pollution, defense of trade routes, etc, those are hidden costs that you don't pay at the pump but which do get paid through taxpayer funding.
 

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That's not what I said, but I realize that you are too propagandized to understand what I said.

When you factor in the cost of subsidies, environmental pollution, defense of trade routes, etc, those are hidden costs that you don't pay at the pump but which do get paid through taxpayer funding.
All businesses get tax deductions. Tax deductions are not the same thing as subsidies, and tax deductions should not be seen as wrong for businesses that biased government officials don't like and right for businesses that biased government officials do like.
 

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All businesses get tax deductions. Tax deductions are not the same thing as subsidies
The United States provides a number of tax subsidies to the fossil fuel industry as a means of encouraging domestic energy production. These include both direct subsidies to corporations, as well as other tax benefits to the fossil fuel industry. Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil. European Union subsidies are estimated to total 55 billion euros annually.

Historically, subsidies granted to the fossil fuel industry were designed to lower the cost of fossil fuel production and incentivize new domestic energy sources. Today, U.S. taxpayer dollars continue to fund many fossil fuel subsidies that are outdated, but remain embedded within the tax code. At a time when renewable energy technology is increasingly cost-competitive with fossil power generation, and a coordinated strategy must be developed to mitigate climate change, the broader utility of fossil fuel subsidies is being questioned.

Direct Subsidies​

Intangible Drilling Costs Deduction (26 U.S. Code § 263. Active)
Percentage Depletion (26 U.S. Code § 613. Active)
Credit for Clean Coal Investment Internal Revenue Code § 48A (Active) and 48B (Inactive)

Indirect Subsidies​

Last In, First Out Accounting (26 U.S. Code § 472. Active)
Foreign Tax Credit (26 U.S. Code § 901. Active)
Master Limited Partnerships (Internal Revenue Code § 7704. Indirect. Active)

 

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Keystone was intended to move Albertan crude to American gulf coast refineries. That oil has already found a different path to market.
 

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The United States provides a number of tax subsidies to the fossil fuel industry as a means of encouraging domestic energy production. These include both direct subsidies to corporations, as well as other tax benefits to the fossil fuel industry. Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil. European Union subsidies are estimated to total 55 billion euros annually.

Historically, subsidies granted to the fossil fuel industry were designed to lower the cost of fossil fuel production and incentivize new domestic energy sources. Today, U.S. taxpayer dollars continue to fund many fossil fuel subsidies that are outdated, but remain embedded within the tax code. At a time when renewable energy technology is increasingly cost-competitive with fossil power generation, and a coordinated strategy must be developed to mitigate climate change, the broader utility of fossil fuel subsidies is being questioned.

Direct Subsidies​

Intangible Drilling Costs Deduction (26 U.S. Code § 263. Active)
Percentage Depletion (26 U.S. Code § 613. Active)
Credit for Clean Coal Investment Internal Revenue Code § 48A (Active) and 48B (Inactive)

Indirect Subsidies​

Last In, First Out Accounting (26 U.S. Code § 472. Active)
Foreign Tax Credit (26 U.S. Code § 901. Active)
Master Limited Partnerships (Internal Revenue Code § 7704. Indirect. Active)

Planned Parenthood gets cash payments from the US government. Oil companies do not.
 

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Keystone was intended to move Albertan crude to American gulf coast refineries. That oil has already found a different path to market.
"...a majority of Alberta's heavy oil is exported to the US..."

 

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Pipeline is best, oil tanker ship is second best, then rail, then truck
Shutting down the Keystone Pipeline has greatly increased emissions, dangers of injuries or deaths, costs to be passed onto energy consumers, and other negative impacts.


Accordingly, without Keystone XL, the heavy oil will be produced, but transported by rail or truck, to be refined in northern or eastern refineries. Lighter oil from U.S. hydraulic fracturing operations will be sent to the Gulf Coast refineries despite the fact that those facilities are optimized for heavier crudes. So, the net effect of stopping Keystone XL will be an inefficient allocation of crude oil geographically. In short: Without the pipeline, railroad capacity will grow, overall safety will decline, and economic costs will be higher. Who would benefit from that outcome?
 

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The Keystone Pipeline never killed anyone, but oil transported on rails owned by Warren Buffet has killed dozens.

Pipelines in the US have resulted in the following:
  • more than 5,500 total incidents
  • almost 600 injuries
  • more than 125 fatalities
  • more than 800 fires
  • almost 300 explosions
 

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Planned Parenthood gets cash payments from the US government. Oil companies do not.
Planned Parenthood receives more than $500 million annually in government funding, mostly through Medicaid and grants. Most of this money goes toward providing low-income women with family planning services like STD screening and contraceptive coverage. Planned Parenthood is, without a doubt, one of the largest providers in this space: Of the 6.7 million women who rely on public programs to pay for contraceptives, 2.4 million of them — 36 percent — do so at Planned Parenthood's 817 clinics across the country.

 

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Pipelines in the US have resulted in the following:
  • more than 5,500 total incidents
  • almost 600 injuries
  • more than 125 fatalities
  • more than 800 fires
  • almost 300 explosions
The Keystone Pipeline has not killed anyone. But what of pipeline accidents? Do you think the US should do away with pipelines? What about trucks? Do you think trucks should be banned because of accidents? You claim there have been more than 125 deaths associated with pipelines over almost 9 years. There were more than 4,000 deaths from truck accidents in just one year with those numbers rising every year.


5. There were 4,102 deaths in truck wrecks in 2017, showing a 52% increase since 2009.

According to data from the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS), there have been a total of 4,102 casualties in multiple-vehicle crashes involving a truck. This number shows a significant 52% rise from the lowest point back in 2009 since the report was first drawn up when only 3,147 were killed in the same manner.
 
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