unconditional love means letting someone self-destruct if he wants

[HisServant]

Where is that in the Bible?

oh, that's right, you don't like the Bible... not the real one anyway

Actually, u know... I think Jesus (vis a vis perversity aka homosexual acts) may have (not sure but may have) accepted what His Father did @ Sodom and (spelling?) Gomorah

Did you actually read what the bible says that God said about those two cities before destroying them?

America is doing exactly what Sodom did right now and the first mentioned sin has nothing to do with sexual perversion.

Ezekeiel 16:49-50:"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen."

We are the most wealthy nation in the world yet we do not help the poor and needy... we are no better than Sodom.

 

[Town Heretic]

human beings don't know one thing about real love

Then why did you start a thread about it?

And like that (finger snap) the Turing test was overcome. lain: :reals:

:turbo:

 

[patrick jane]

Republicanchick,

i suggested some time ago and still believe it would be better and easier for you to have one HUGE thread. you could have surpassed the 'Creation vs Evolution" thread
in the last 6 months ! ! !

you could simply call it Repubchick or whatever. your fans and followers would have a much easier time keeping up with your posts, your thoughts, opinions, beliefs etc. we could really tune in to you and the subject can change anytime
i think TOL is clamouring for you to be in the spotlight with the BIGGEST LONGEST THREAD Ever ! ! !

if i were you, I'd start yesterday -


you can go to your profile, add up all threads and posts, even # of views maybe. gargantuan numbers indeed. i like your energy, i think many here do. but you could be a TOL Legend with ONE all encompassing Thread

 

[Eric h]

he says that God has unconditional love for him,

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What if God loves each and everyone of us as he loves himself.

you want what is BEST for them, not what THEY might think is best, especially when what thye think is best is EVIL, destructive and leads them straight to Hell

First we have to look at our own life, and only if we are without sin, can we cast the first stone. We might not be gay, so it is easy to single out gays for hellfire, that makes us safe, but it also makes us hypocrites too.

We say the Lords prayer and we condemn ourselves, we tell God to forgive us in exactly the same way we forgive others. We tell someone they are going to hell, will God then pass that same judgement onto us for our sins?

 

[csuguy]

True - love does not mean endorsing whatever the person who is loved does or believes. Sometimes love means discipline and justice. Sometimes it means sacrifice and allowing yourself to be hurt. The application will differ both based upon the situation and the kind of relationship involved.

We must keep in mind at all times, however, that we must meet people where they are at, and not expect them to simply believe or practice as we do. In so far as it would be beneficial, we hope to guide them towards adopting our beliefs/practices. But this takes time, care, and dedication to a relationship. For this to be effective, Paul teaches to be like those you want to reach - in so far as you can without violating your own important beliefs and practices.

I'm personally inclined to say that this means not going to a gay wedding, since that would be an act of condoning homosexual relations. However, if you care for the person/people in question, I can see why one might feel guilty to not attend the wedding - and not going would surely strain the relationship between you and them. From this perspective I can see why some might view attending the wedding as the lesser of two evils and sympathize with them - even if I don't agree.

 

[chrysostom]

Republicanchick,

i suggested some time ago and still believe it would be better and easier for you to have one HUGE thread. you could have surpassed the 'Creation vs Evolution" thread
in the last 6 months ! ! !

I also suggested this
and
zoo thinks she is helping the democrats

 

[zoo22]

I also suggested this
and
zoo thinks she is helping the democrats

Absolutely. I don't usually think she's doing it on purpose, but every once in a while I wonder.

Nazaroo, aCW, serpentdove, republicanchick all do an awesome job of marginalizing themselves, marginalizing TOL, and marginalizing the religious right. Together, they're like an armed militia all throwing live grenades into their own bunkers at the same time.

 

[chrysostom]

Absolutely. I don't usually think she's doing it on purpose, but every once in a while I wonder.

Nazaroo, aCW, serpentdove, republicanchick all do an awesome job of marginalizing themselves, marginalizing TOL, and marginalizing the religious right. Together, they're like an armed militia all throwing live grenades into their own bunkers at the same time.

it is easy to ignore any poster
but
you can't ignore thread after thread after thread etc

 

[zoo22]

Nazaroo, aCW, serpentdove, republicanchick all do an awesome job of marginalizing themselves, marginalizing TOL, and marginalizing the religious right. Together, they're like an armed militia all throwing live grenades into their own bunkers at the same time.

it is easy to ignore any poster
but
you can't ignore thread after thread after thread etc

That's true.

But you know, After posting, I thought a bit about what I'd written, particularly that comment I made about them being like an armed militia all throwing live grenades into their own bunkers at the same time... And what I'd said just didn't sit well. I take it back. It's not right for me to say that about them.

They're more like an armed militia all firing their AK47's straight into their own feet at the same time. And then reloading and firing into one another's feet at the same time. And then they do it again and again and again.

Also, it's a militia that wears clown suits.

 

[chrysostom]

That's true.

But you know, After posting, I thought a bit about what I'd written, particularly that comment I made about them being like an armed militia all throwing live grenades into their own bunkers at the same time... And what I'd said just didn't sit well. I take it back. It's not right for me to say that about them.

They're more like an armed militia all firing their AK47's straight into their own feet at the same time. And then reloading and firing into one another's feet at the same time. And then they do it again and again and again.

Also, it's a militia that wears clown suits.

it all comes down to who annoys you the most
and
I said it was the republicanchick in my awards
so
where were you when we were deciding this most important issue?

 

[republicanchick]

What if God loves each and everyone of us as he loves himself.




First we have to look at our own life, and only if we are without sin, can we cast the first stone. We might not be gay, so it is easy to single out gays for hellfire, that makes us safe, but it also makes us hypocrites too.

We say the Lords prayer and we condemn ourselves, we tell God to forgive us in exactly the same way we forgive others. We tell someone they are going to hell, will God then pass that same judgement onto us for our sins?

I don 't talk to straw men



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[serpentdove]

Christ would have gone to a gay wedding...

He honored marriage (Jn 2:1–11) as all men should (Heb 13:4). Sodomites ([Ex 20:14] heterosexual [Lev. 20:10–12] or homosexual [Lev. 20:10,13]) :burnlib: go to hell (1 Co 6:9-10). :dizzy:

 

[serpentdove]

...America is doing exactly what Sodom did...

You're projecting again (Eph 4:14). :noway: You're the poster boy (Matt. 23:23, 24, Eph. 5:21–33) for Sodom (Heb 13:4). If you want to know why America is the way it is--look in the mirror.

See:

Love in Action by Michael Youssef

 

[serpentdove]

First we have to look at our own life...

opcorn:

...and only if we are without sin, can we cast the first stone.

opcorn:

We might not be gay...

opcorn:

...so it is easy to single out gays for hellfire

opcorn:

...that makes us safe, but it also makes us hypocrites too.

:AMR: We're not homos. :granite:

2 Pe 3:5, Eze 33:11

See:

Should Christians Judge? By Bob Enyart

 

[serpentdove]

1 Co 5:5

Hold Onto Your Butts

 

[republicanchick]

Sometimes. :idunno: Isn't that what TrakeM wants--just like God's people who wanted judges rather than him? Judg. 2:16–18; Judg 18:1–31

Sometimes you have to hit bottom before you pay attention to your need for the Lord. Jas 4:6

no idea what your point is



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[republicanchick]

1 Cor. 6:14

or is it 2 Cor 6:14?

well, in any case, one of those tells us not to have anything to do with those who go their own way, rather than the way of Christ

Then there are psgs like this



"Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness..."


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[serpentdove]

no idea what your point is

God is best able to rule and reign over man. He made us. He knows what's best for us. We are going to learn that.

...Bottom is not always

bottom.

"Sin will take you farther than you ever expected to go; it will keep you longer than you ever intended to stay, and it will cost you more than you ever expected to pay." ~ Deeper Still Event Series

 

[PureX]

how about something much deeper and disconcerting than a friendship, a pastor and a gay wedding. let's talk about FAMILY allowing and watching a close relative continue to behave and think self-destructive. what if a family and clergy and medical professionals know the truth and do not treat or ignore conditions and facts ?

what if the truth of family history and the truth of a person's life has been withheld and secrets are kept ? information affecting all areas i.e physical, mental, spiritual and heredity. known but never shared. all the while, attending several gay funerals and weddings - what's up with that ?

I doubt that we humans can ever really achieve unconditional love. To do so would mean loving someone regardless of what they think, what they say, and how they behave toward us, others, and the world in general. We might claim we can do that, but I suspect that's only because the claim isn't really being tested.

About loving people who are self-destructive, and determining when it's right for us to 'step in' and take their autonomy away from them, for their own sakes, I'm not sure this is a equation of love. I think it's a question of personal autonomy vs. collective responsibility. That's already a very difficult question to answer without muddying up the waters with the idea of unconditional love.

 

[republicanchick]

I doubt that we humans can ever really achieve unconditional love. ve.

i love others unconditionally

i just don't LIKE them...

and admittedly, it is very hard (virtually impossible) to LOVE someone you don't like... although some females, in romance... find this kind of dynamic to be no problem...

but i digress...

anyhow... i love all humans... i pray for people i can't stand...
But i refuse to become closely involved with someone who is deep sin, doesn't love Jesus...

nope

that's what you call STUPID


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