Ukraine Crisis

ok doser

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Assuming you've seen the footage of Mariupol in this thread, since you're posting in this thread. It's razed to the ground.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Why should this be a concern of the United States?

Why should we have a stronger interest in this than the European Union and its member states that border Russia and Ukraine?
 

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Ukrainians flooding across our southern border. Over a thousand intercepted so far.

No word on how many of them are Nazis, or Russian plants, or Muslim extremists
Low IQ nationalist retards from everywhere around the planet, in lack of a real nationalist leader, they have made an imaginary caricature of Putin where he is perceived as being a nationalist hero. Most of his supporters in the West come from the Trump circles just because Putin said some mean anti-gay stuff. He said what he said but it doesn’t mean anything, meanwhile being a transgender in Russia is not only legal but even trendy…..

And now……..?? Well now Putin is sending a battalion of Muslim Chechens to kill white Christian Ukrainians for the purpose of de-NAZI-fying them!

 

annabenedetti

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The GQP is the party of fascists now.

They're willing, like Jefferson, to "string up" people they disagree with. Literally, that's an advocation for the murder of those who don't fit their political, social, and religious ideologies. That's why they relished seeing Putin go after marginalized groups, and that's exactly what they want to do here in the U.S.

RINOs should be strung up.
 

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The GQP is the party of fascists now.

They're willing, like Jefferson, to "string up" people they disagree with. Literally, that's an advocation for the murder of those who don't fit their political, social, and religious ideologies.
It's called hyperbole you idiot.
 

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Why should this be a concern of the United States?

Why should we have a stronger interest in this than the European Union and its member states that border Russia and Ukraine?
It's barbaric. We're not concerned because we're Americans, we're concerned because we're moral. We're Americans because we're moral, and this is morally outrageous, and wicked. We would like to do something more directly but the Russians 'have us over a barrel' because of their glass-crater-makers that we don't want them to use. It's in a way extortion.
 

ok doser

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It's barbaric. We're not concerned because we're Americans, we're concerned because we're moral. We're Americans because we're moral, and this is morally outrageous, and wicked.
No

I totally reject that. IF we were moral, IF morality was an aspect of it, we would be intervening in the Uighur atrocity in China. We would be intervening in the humanitarian crises ongoing in Mexico and Central America, in North Korea, in Nigeria. We would have intervened in the Rwandan crisis.

Morality is a way to mask the fact that there are financial/monetary/business interests at play in this
 

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It's barbaric. We're not concerned because we're Americans, we're concerned because we're moral. We're Americans because we're moral, and this is morally outrageous, and wicked. We would like to do something more directly but the Russians 'have us over a barrel' because of their glass-crater-makers that we don't want them to use. It's in a way extortion.
Neither Angola nor Namibia have glass-crater-makers but if Angola immorally attacked Namibia I'll bet the US wouldn't lift a finger.
 
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Idolater

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No

I totally reject that. IF we were moral, IF morality was an aspect of it, we would be intervening in the Uighur atrocity in China. We would be intervening in the humanitarian crises ongoing in Mexico and Central America, in North Korea, in Nigeria. We would have intervened in the Rwandan crisis.

Morality is a way to mask the fact that there are financial/monetary/business interests at play in this
Neither Angola nor Namibia have glass-crater-makers but if Angola immorally attacked Namibia I'll bet the US wouldn't lift a finger.
We're not lifting a finger now. We can't attack China for the same reason. We're expressing moral outrage. That's all we can do right now, militarily. And as for all the other corrupt and evil regimes right now, we can't afford it. It would be irresponsible, because we'd go broke. Just like how Japan went broke in WWII. Martial law is expensive. Police are expensive. Being the world police for a little while was too expensive, it's not that it's morally wrong to go into Vietnam to fight the forces of evil, it's that it's irresponsible because it's too expensive. It's like buying a boat and renting dockspace and you can't even afford to fill the fuel tank all the way up afterward.
 

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Apoplectic Over the Propaganda and Fake News on Ukraine - We Should all Stop Listening



Yesterday my blood pressure shot into the stratosphere.
I heard via media sources that the Russians were attacking Europe’s largest nuclear power plant located in Kiev.
“If the plant blows, it will be 10 times the effect of Chernobyl,” the headlines breathlessly stated.
And rolling my mind over to a secondary effect, it truly might trigger an avalanche of nuclear bombs striking earth. For myself, I love life, and mine has been pretty good, but I have three children, and the idea that they wouldn’t have the chance to experience what is today, still, a beautiful world, made me apoplectic.

And I wondered, what possible benefit Putin could have gained from blowing up the reactor. Maybe he’s demonstrating that he’s completely unhinged, and willing to go nuclear if thwarted? In an effort to save himself. That was the only sane explanation I could come up with.
Everything else I thought was Lindsey Graham stupidity, Putin has to go. He’s pulling the world into WWIII, the earth might end, my babies’ lives might be extinguished.
And this is what I ranted to a dear friend of mine.
Then I wake up and it turns out the media was greatly exaggerating what was taking place. That the plant was never in serious danger.

And I sat silent, for a few seconds, and realized that I had been had.

In the fog of war, it’s ...


 

annabenedetti

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Ukraine would rebound, with true bravery & leadership having brought eight years of occupation to an end. An era of true independence & European integration, now a century (or two) overdue, would finally open, making Ukraine a worldwide source of democratic renewal.

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The Belarusian democratic movement, now mostly in exile, would find new traction inside the country. Their deflated dictator, now clinging to Putin’s last coat-tails, would be discarded. Freed from bleak diktat, Belarus would become a truly Baltic & European country.

3/12
Georgia & Moldova, both with enclaves still occupied by Russia, would be able to regain full sovereignty. Moldova has a pro-European government that deserves support. Georgia has a pro-democracy majority now demanding a better future. Both deserve to be whole & free.

4/12
The North Caucasus, terrorized & forgotten by Putin, would see their cultural & linguistic diversity restored. Chechnya & Dagestan could throw off thugs like the Kadyrovs. Kazakhstan & Central Asia would find new markets, tailoring new reforms to national realities.

5/12
Victims of Putin's lesser known wars would also benefit. Libya would lose a huge source of mischief. Venezuela might finally turn. After six Putin-linked coups in Africa over the past three years, might the Sahel & West Africa enjoy a new decade of greater stability?

6/12
Russia never stopped sponsoring terrorists. It promoted Al Qaida's anti-American turn; did victory laps with @ImranKhanPTI after Afghanistan's fall. Moscow has had the IRGC's back in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon & beyond. Russia's defeat would chasten both Iran & Pakistan.

7/12
Russia has been aggressively disrupting democracies worldwide, putting the US, UK & many others through relentless cycles of polarization. Less Russian interference would mean better policies & decisions from elected governments: a resurgence of democracies globally.

8/12
Russian belligerence, disinfo & cash have paralyzed the UN on many issues -- a condition Russia's demotion could remedy. Ukraine's success would also rescue @NATO from the paradox of a collective self-defence alliance side-stepping Ukraine's collective self-defence.

9/12
Accountability has been a lost cause so far in most 21st century wars & conflicts. Prosecution at the ICC of Russian war crimes in Ukraine would send an unmistakable message to dictators, just as sanctions to date already have: global trade must not empower tyrants.

10/12
We have under-estimated at our peril the damage done by Putin's propaganda, corruption & unending wars, especially after he backed Assad with force in 2011. Putin built up a terrifying impunity through Syria's genocide, his 2014 invasion of Ukraine & Brexit/Trump.

11/12
Ukraine is blazing a path towards a post-Putin world. To get there, Russia's defeat needs to be decisive, with Ukraine's victory reaching all its territory, airspace & coasts, including Crimea. For this to happen, full military support is needed: it depends on us.

12/12
 

annabenedetti

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It's called hyperbole you idiot.

Yeah I don't believe you.

Is it also hyperbole, your vote to give homosexuals the death penalty?

I don't think it is.

Executing homosexuals is quite literally an advocation for the murder of those who don't fit your political, social, and religious ideologies.

You're either using plausible deniability for now, while waiting for your Q dreams to come true in a tangible way in the American government, or you're all hat and no cattle. Which is it?
 

annabenedetti

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»A fascist regime looms in Russia«

Moscow sociologist Greg Yudin on Putin’s unleashed power apparatus and the political motives behind the attack on Ukraine

Greg Yudin is a philosopher and sociologist at the Moscow School of Social and Economic Sciences. Two days before the Russian invasion of Ukraine began, he anticipated quite exactly what would happen, in an article for Open Democracy. Greg Yudin is still in Moscow; he was hospitalized by security forces during a protest in the days after the war began. Yudin has long warned against Putin’s aggressive claim to power, which makes a military confrontation with NATO increasingly likely. In the interview, he describes the power mechanisms by which Putin’s system is based, the rapid transformation of Russian society into a pre-fascist order and the prospects for the anti-war movement.

Nuanced analysis at the link.
 
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