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We don't claim them.
But you're more than happy to attend their "Unite the Right" rallies and speaking events?

Do you claim the Nazi-like pro-censorship lefties who vote democrat?
The Republican brand as a legitimate political party will be forever associated with far-right ideologies, including neo-Nazis and neo-Confederates. These so-called “respectable” leaders coddled and stoked a white supremacist insurrection by Trump for the past four years. Their transactional opportunism enabled Confederate flags to be defiantly paraded in the U.S. Capitol, a shame not even achieved during the Civil War. They proved they don’t want to share a pluralistic democracy with other political parties and interests. --

 

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We don't claim them.
It's a topic for a different thread but I have long argued here, often with the bananahead, that censorship of views you don't like is wrong, even if that includes views you viscerally hate. I remember asking back before Charlottesville, and maybe when barbie was still active, how do you include in the American democratic experiment the participation of people with views like the neo-nazis or the socialist/communists?

IIRC, they had no answer

My answer was then and is now, you don't silence them. You let them speak and you publicize their positions and their views.
 

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It's a topic for a different thread but I have long argued here, often with the bananahead, that censorship of views you don't like is wrong, even if that includes views you viscerally hate. I remember asking back before Charlottesville, and maybe when barbie was still active, how do you include in the American democratic experiment the participation of people with views like the neo-nazis or the socialist/communists?

IIRC, they had no answer

My answer was then and is now, you don't silence them. You let them speak and you publicize their positions and their views.
Sunlight, not darkness, is the only answer. IOWs, it is talked about and discussed more not less. Censoring bad ideas does nothing but hide problems rather than solve them.
 

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The Russia/Ukraine peace talks are yielding fruit that shows what Russia's goals have always been.

 

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Doesn't this concern you that CNN and MSNBC might be lying to you?
Jefferson there's no way the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Financial Times, Associated Press and Reuters are all lying. The conspiracy required to 'pull off' this kind of stunt is not imaginable. It doesn't exist.
 

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The Nazis often didn't eat enough vegetables and forgot to brush their teeth. Stop making nonsensical off-center comparisons.
The topic is the politics of Nazis. How is the political censorship by Nazis off topic?
 

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I couldn't care less if Trump did or didn't. President Woodrow Wilson used the term "new world order" in reference to the formation of the League of Nations after World War I. It's not the spooky boogeyman we're all supposed to be afraid of that you're making it out to be:

Do you actually think if the lefties got their new world order, we would still have our freedoms in the Bill Of Rights?
 

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Do you actually think if the lefties got their new world order, we would still have our freedoms in the Bill Of Rights?
Do you actually think that the lefties will get their new world order? They've only been talking about it for 100 years.
 

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But you're more than happy to attend their "Unite the Right" rallies and speaking events?
Never been to one.

The Republican brand as a legitimate political party will be forever associated with far-right ideologies, including neo-Nazis and neo-Confederates. These so-called “respectable” leaders coddled and stoked a white supremacist insurrection by Trump for the past four years. Their transactional opportunism enabled Confederate flags to be defiantly paraded in the U.S. Capitol, a shame not even achieved during the Civil War. They proved they don’t want to share a pluralistic democracy with other political parties and interests. --
Was that a yes or a no? Let's try it again: Do you claim the Nazi-like pro-censorship lefties who vote democrat?
 

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It is certainly not unique to the Nazi's. The Don't say gay Bill is political censorship, for instance.
You can't dismiss this so easily, this is a controversy between differing ethical theories and educational philosophies and the complicating factor that schools are publicly funded. It's a right to pursue happiness against a prohibition of establishing religion, which would only be a problem if the schools are publicly funded, which they are.
No political party in the US is so pervasive as the Nazi's or Putin currently in their desire to limit speech.
Yes. Both competitive parties here are at least prima facie liberal (meaning liberal ideology (meaning liberal institutions (in America basically it means supportive of the Constitution))). Now I said prima facie deliberately, because when it comes to judicial philosophy there is an argument that Democrats hold to a theory (utilitarian legal positivism) which is in conflict with the spirit of the Declaration of Independence and therefore also, according to the argument, in conflict with the spirit of the Constitution as well. To rhetorically clarify this difference Republicans support judges who hold to an "originalist" "position" on the Constitution, which means basically a moral and subsequently a legal theory based on natural (inborn) universal human (what's a human? cf. 'personhood' controversy, like with Black slavery) rights.
 

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Never been to one.
Others have, so you can't pretend like it's not a Republican thing. They are members of the alt-right, neo-Confederates, neo-fascists, white nationalists, neo-Nazis, Klansmen, and various right-wing militias. They are racist and antisemitic. And then there are the Groypers who are white nationalist, homophobic, nativist, fascist, sexist, and antisemitic. Republican Trump supporters such as Paul Gosar, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and others have spoken at their events.
Was that a yes or a no? Let's try it again: Do you claim the Nazi-like pro-censorship lefties who vote democrat?
Give me specific examples of what you are referring to here.
 

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Do you actually think that the lefties will get their new world order? They've only been talking about it for 100 years.
My model for a new world order would expand the United States Constitution, so it would preserve our Bill of Rights automatically, and not threaten them.
 
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