Ukraine Crisis

Arthur Brain

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That's why I said I got your meaning, it was just a detail.

What the US was able to do was impose a moral ideology upon Japan and Germany, and that ideological 'crash course' has been shown to be durable. As you note, their culture wasn't changed, just their morals. They both were under great delusions about what was right and wrong, and we forced them to change, it has worked, which ought to be some sort of miracle, but facts is facts.

The idea is to start slow, not invade Russia right now.

I just stated a fact is all. President Trump was by all fair accounts actively trying to broker some sort of peace treaty with North Korea, that was visible evidence of him trying to work us all away from WWIII, and now, here we are all instead now one step closer. I'm not saying it's President Biden's fault, but I'm definitely not saying that it's President Trump fault either. It's the fault of us all not being already in one world government of some form or fashion.

Can't blame you.

Start small. Don't start with Russia and China and North Korea and Saudi Arabia, start with the UK, Canada, Greenland, see how it goes, go slow at first, and only with those who actually want to try it out.

It will 'snowball', which for anyone not in winter climes and so unfamiliar with the idiom, means you start rolling a snow ball in the snow. As you roll, it gets bigger and bigger and bigger, because as it rolls snow 'sticks' to it, and pretty soon, you're able to make a 'snowman' because the snowballs have gotten so big.

We've shown with Alaska and Hawaii that we can successfully administrate this Constitution even when the land isn't contiguous, which is a major 'box' already 'ticked' before we 'get going'.
Okay, what 'moral ideology' do you think the US employed? How was America central to it? Not sure how you can claim that morals were changed in that regard especially in terms of force. How does force change ideas or ideology? That's more akin to 'A Clockwork Orange' than it is to fact. Sure, many were deluded under the Nazi regime as are many under Russia's state control but knowledge brings about change and access to it, also encouragement to do so. Can't recall the name of the film which is a bit irksome but there's a line in it where people on pain of death have the chance to recant their ideology and one of the main protagonists points out the obvious. That they'll still believe as they do even if they sign a paper and force won't change or even destroy a idea.

How slow and in what way? Invading Russia is a complete non option, either now or down the line. Look, it would be brilliant if everywhere in the world valued personal autonomy, freedoms, civil liberties etc but the sad fact of the matter is they don't. They even consider their position to be moral and mired in religious ideology that can't be shifted and woe betide those who challenge it. There's folk here who think its entirely justified to usurp the rights that we have now, to incarcerate and execute homosexuals even to the point of trying children who aren't far out of diapers as adults where execution can be enacted.

I recall Trump and his supposed peace brokering with North Korea but AFAIC sabre rattling was more appropriate. It certainly isn't Trump's fault that there are totalitarian states that threaten and he's not responsible for Putin's invasion of the Ukraine in that regard, but he is responsible for his risible comments related to it.

We already have a united alliance in the West so I'm really not sure what you're driving at with the UK, Greenland, Canada etc. These are countries that along with the US already value democracy, freedom, civil liberty etc and condemn the likes of the atrocity currently going on.
 

marke

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And because the images of captured and destroyed Russian military hardware are so embarrassing, there are now "fake fakes" being "fact-checked" to claim the images of captured and destroyed Russian military hardware aren't captured and destroyed military hardware...

In the Ukraine Conflict, Fake Fact-Checks Are Being Used to Spread Disinformation

Social media posts debunking purported Ukrainian disinformation are themselves fake. That doesn’t stop them from being featured on Russian state TV.

Never believe fact-checkers that have not been approved by honest investigators with good morals and character.
 

Gary K

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Banned
Order out of chaos.

Within the next couple of months it is likely that there will be direct US military involvement in Ukraine, with Russia now openly supporting and recognizing separatist groups in the Donbass region on the eastern edge of the country and apparently moving to aid them militarily in separation.



This is not the first time Russia has sent military units into Ukraine, but it is the first time since 2014 and the annexation of Crimea that the threat of military action has been overt rather than covert...

When conflict erupts, you are going to see a swarm of media stories in western nations trying to outline the complexity of the relationship between Russia and Ukraine since the fall of the Soviet Union, while ignoring certain inconvenient truths.


You will see many of these stories construct a narrative which then oversimplifies the situation and paints Russia as the monstrous aggressor.

 

Gary K

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Banned
Poland calls US State dept liars and tells US to go ahead and start WW3. Blinken and Biden fold their tent and stop lying about Poland.

Way to go Poland. Call liars exactly what they are.

 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
Poland calls US State dept liars and tells US to go ahead and start WW3. Blinken and Biden fold their tent and stop lying about Poland.

Way to go Poland. Call liars exactly what they are.

But no more mean tweets right?
 

Arthur Brain

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Poland calls US State dept liars and tells US to go ahead and start WW3. Blinken and Biden fold their tent and stop lying about Poland.

Way to go Poland. Call liars exactly what they are.

Ah, the conservative tree house. Like getting the latest sport results from a chiropractor...
 

Gary K

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Banned
Ah, the conservative tree house. Like getting the latest sport results from a chiropractor...
As usual nothing added to any conversation. You say the story is false? Prove it. Your problem is the mockingbird media published everything so, as usual, you're just left out in left field with your ridiculous claims.

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Arthur Brain

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As usual nothing added to any conversation. You say the story is false? Prove it. Your problem is the mockingbird media published everything so, as usual, you're just left out in left field with your ridiculous claims.

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The burden of proof is on the one making the claim which you, hilariously enough aren't gonna manage. You'd believe that a Unicorn army had annexed Switzerland if your wingnut sources told you as much so hey, carry on with the bat crazy...
 

marke

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And because the images of captured and destroyed Russian military hardware are so embarrassing, there are now "fake fakes" being "fact-checked" to claim the images of captured and destroyed Russian military hardware aren't captured and destroyed military hardware...

In the Ukraine Conflict, Fake Fact-Checks Are Being Used to Spread Disinformation

Social media posts debunking purported Ukrainian disinformation are themselves fake. That doesn’t stop them from being featured on Russian state TV.

Fact-checking liars need to have their lies fact-checked by those who understand and report the truth.
 

marke

Well-known member
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim which you, hilariously enough aren't gonna manage. You'd believe that a Unicorn army had annexed Switzerland if your wingnut sources told you as much so hey, carry on with the bat crazy...
Of course leftists claiming they don't lie don't sense any burden to prove that false claim.
 

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