Just because strict gun laws are in place over here doesn't mean they're 100% impossible to obtain 'underground' as you must surely be aware. As tragic as this case is we have very little gun related crime in the UK so I don't know what point you're even trying to make with this thread frankly.
People still die of disease, medicine is so useless!
First, Jo Cox was stabbed before she was shot. So to argue that she would still be alive if it wasn't for gun legislation is absurd. Second, to argue that an intervention has to be 100% effective to be useful is absolutely nonsense. Seatbelts? Medicine? Fire-retardant fabrics? All useless apparently. Third, rates of gun crime in the UK are extremely low compared with the US. I'm proud that I live in a country where one's "right" to own guns isn't seen as more important as one's right to life.
And even the article you link to repeatedly emphasises how rare such events are here.
I do not know you so let me ask this up front.
Do you, like Artie and others posting from the U.K., want to see the citizens of the U.S. disarmed the way your people have been disarmed? Or do you not care either way?
I do not know you so let me ask this up front.
Do you, like Artie and others posting from the U.K., want to see the citizens of the U.S. disarmed the way your people have been disarmed? Or do you not care either way?
I (like most US citizens) think it is ridiculously easy for people to get hold of guns in the US. I think that tighter gun legislation is the only realistic way that the high rates of gun crime in the US can be reduced. I'm aware that this is not going to happen over night and requires a parallel cultural change. In the UK the vast majority of people have absolutely no inclination to buy a gun, let alone to see them as a necessity or a right. It has never crossed my mind that I should want to own a gun.
So, do I "want" to see US citizens "disarmed"? Not out of any ulterior motive. Do I want US citizens to die at needlessly high levels due to gun violence? No.
Because leftists (even those over where you are) love to tell us to disarm because your laws "work." Then something like this happens. That's my only point.
I do not know you so let me ask this up front.
Do you, like Artie and others posting from the U.K., want to see the citizens of the U.S. disarmed the way your people have been disarmed? Or do you not care either way?
I (like most US citizens) think it is ridiculously easy for people to get hold of guns in the US. I think that tighter gun legislation is the only realistic way that the high rates of gun crime in the US can be reduced. I'm aware that this is not going to happen over night and requires a parallel cultural change. In the UK the vast majority of people have absolutely no inclination to buy a gun, let alone to see them as a necessity or a right. It has never crossed my mind that I should want to own a gun.
So, do I "want" to see US citizens "disarmed"? Not out of any ulterior motive. Do I want US citizens to die at needlessly high levels due to gun violence? No.
I (like most US citizens) think it is ridiculously easy for people to get hold of guns in the US. I think that tighter gun legislation is the only realistic way that the high rates of gun crime in the US can be reduced. I'm aware that this is not going to happen over night and requires a parallel cultural change. In the UK the vast majority of people have absolutely no inclination to buy a gun, let alone to see them as a necessity or a right. It has never crossed my mind that I should want to own a gun.
So, do I "want" to see US citizens "disarmed"? Not out of any ulterior motive. Do I want US citizens to die at needlessly high levels due to gun violence? No.
How did you feel about Lee Rigby?
The Gun Shop: The Muslim who bought the AR-15 was reported 3 weeks before the perches to the FBI, and they did nothing.
What you don't seem to get is that you don't own guns.... they own you.
What you don't seem to get is that you don't own guns.... they own you.