Two completely atypical homosexuals arrested

MrDante

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Wow, Americans for Truth. Does anyone else see an issue with using a hate group known for it's fabrication and dissemination of junk science to provide reliable evidence?



Let's see:



OK...what is the name of this report? Who assembled it? Where was it published?
Your guess is as good as mine.

American's for Truth mention a couple names: Cheryl Dobinson and Stewart Landers but that is it. A trip through Google Scholar doesn't turn up anything any possible refernce


For those of you playing along at home...when a hate group starts talking about studies and reports but doesn't provide any way of finding out anything about them, it's a good bet that they don't want anyone actually checking out these studies for themselves.




well first the statement about infants relating concepts of sexual and romantic attractions demonstrates that the author of this thing is not interested in being honest. Who is saying that that infants can relate to the concepts of sexual and romantic attraction? No one.

Second no one is saying upbringing and environment do not have profound effects. But where is the evidence that upbringing and environment has any impact on adult sexual orientation? Well, there isn't any.

After looking at this garbage i feel the need to wash my hands. Ick.
 

ClimateSanity

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Your own article trips itself up just with this quote from it:

"Not all gay men were molested as boys (since there are multiple causes for homosexuality) and not all boys who are molested turn out gay (probably because they were less predisposed towards homosexuality)."

:plain:

Less predisposed????? Sounds like a scale to me. It certainly doesn't mean what the PC crowd demands it mean. The tendency for homosexual attraction varies in individuals. It certainly is not always the case that the attraction is insurmountable or unchangeable. It is established that environment plays a huge role. For a person to say they were born that way is not totally correct. It is more accurate to say my genetics made me more susceptible to environmental factors that are known to affect a person's sexuality.
 

Angel4Truth

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All me - Mr. Dante: Fake news, no such thing as a homosexual pervert/pediphile, this only proves him and his partner are straight, because only straight men are pedos.

I can't tell if you are being your nasty self and lying here or if you are just being ignorant.

how could i be lying, when i wrote "all me" at the beginning, saying right out that its my interpretation of you, not your words, but mine?

Do you not understand the words " ALL ME" ? (typical liberal " i dont understand" something clear and obvious)

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(of course I have this problem with all of your posts.)
You can always pretend to ignore me like anna does.
 

Angel4Truth

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OK...what is the name of this report? Who assembled it? Where was it published?
Your guess is as good as mine.
There are links all through that, with their sources, if you are too lazy to check, not my problem, you clearly aren't even interested in the truth, since you lie on here all the time about what we post, then vanish after you have wasted our time proving you wrong.
 

Arthur Brain

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Less predisposed????? Sounds like a scale to me. It certainly doesn't mean what the PC crowd demands it mean. The tendency for homosexual attraction varies in individuals. It certainly is not always the case that the attraction is insurmountable or unchangeable. It is established that environment plays a huge role. For a person to say they were born that way is not totally correct. It is more accurate to say my genetics made me more susceptible to environmental factors that are known to affect a person's sexuality.

So some young boys, infants even, are less predisposed towards homosexuality than others molested - which the guy is arguing as a major factor in people becoming homosexual to begin with - even though they would have no particular disposition towards any sexual attraction at such an age anyway? The hoops you guys wrangle through to maintain that homosexuality is somehow *created* rather than natural is laughable. Even your argument that the attraction itself varies goes against it being unnatural.
 

Arthur Brain

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Wow, Americans for Truth. Does anyone else see an issue with using a hate group knonw for it's fabrication o junk science to provide evidence?



Let's see:



OK...what is the name of this report? Who assembled it? Where was it published?
Your guess is as good as mine.

American's for Truth mention a couple names: Cheryl Dobinson and Stewart Landers but that is it. A trip through Google Scholar doesn't turn up anything any possible refernce


For those of you playing along at home...when a hate group starts talking about studies and reports but doesn't provide any way of finding out anything about them, it's a good bet that they don't want anyone actually checking out these studies for themselves.




well first the statement about infants relating concepts of sexual and romantic attractions demonstrates that the author of this thing is not interested in being honest. Who is saying that that infants can relate to the concepts of sexual and romantic attraction? No one.

Second no one is saying upbringing and environment do not have profound effects. But where is the evidence that upbringing and environment has any impact on adult sexual orientation? Well, there isn't any.

After looking at this garbage i feel the need to wash my hands. Ick.

It's an insult to Americans & objective truth all in one go...
 

Arthur Brain

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Have you also heard of the connection between sexual abuse of girls and their subsequent tendency to be sexually permiscuous?

I've heard of all types of soundbites and pseudo science crap. Abuse can lend itself to all manner of detrimental effects on the victim. It doesn't turn people gay or sex obsessed as 'primary cause' as much as some zealous nutcases seem to 'think'. Heck, given the preponderance of obsessions with sex outside of marriage from the 'far right' it's a wonder anyone's actually straight in some views...
 

MrDante

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Less predisposed????? Sounds like a scale to me. It certainly doesn't mean what the PC crowd demands it mean. The tendency for homosexual attraction varies in individuals. It certainly is not always the case that the attraction is insurmountable or unchangeable. It is established that environment plays a huge role. For a person to say they were born that way is not totally correct. It is more accurate to say my genetics made me more susceptible to environmental factors that are known to affect a person's sexuality.

and what childhood environmental factors would these be?
 

MrDante

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how could i be lying, when i wrote "all me" at the beginning, saying right out that its my interpretation of you, not your words, but mine?

Do you not understand the words " ALL ME" ? (typical liberal " i dont understand" something clear and obvious)

'You can always pretend to ignore me like anna does.

So it's lying, nasty AND ignorant. Thanks for clearing that up
 

MrDante

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There are links all through that, with their sources, if you are too lazy to check, not my problem,

and the link leads to the "Americans for truth" page which contains a dead link and absolutely no information about this report. Apparently you were to lazy to go check it out for yourself.

you clearly aren't even interested in the truth, since you lie on here all the time about what we post, then vanish after you have wasted our time proving you wrong.
I'm right here.
 

Angel4Truth

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and the link leads to the "Americans for truth" page which contains a dead link and absolutely no information about this report. Apparently you were to lazy to go check it out for yourself.

I'm right here.

Youre an idiot, there are links in that article to many different pages - keep showing yourself a liar, i love it.

Please all do check it out for yourself since dante is a known lying troll.
 

Angel4Truth

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Yes, Childhood Sexual Abuse Often Does Contribute to Homosexuality

What do Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon, George Takei, and Milo Yiannopoulos have in common? They are all out and proud gay men, and they were all sexually abused as underage minors. Sadly, this is an extremely common occurrence, as there is frequently a connection between childhood sexual abuse and adult homosexuality.

To say such a thing, of course, is to invite a hailstorm of fierce criticism and ridicule: “You bigoted homophobe! These men were born gay, not made gay, and their sexuality is a gift from God, not the result of sexual abuse. Plus, there are plenty of gay men who were never abused and plenty of straight men who were abused as boys and never turned gay.”

Putting the name-calling aside, there is some truth to these statements.

Not all gay men were molested as boys (since there are multiple causes for homosexuality) and not all boys who are molested turn out gay (probably because they were less predisposed towards homosexuality). Still, it cannot be denied that a disproportionately high number of gay men were abused as boys, and that certainly contributed to their sexual and emotional development.

That’s why it was no surprise when Dr. Robert Epstein, the pro-gay editor-in-chief of Psychology Today, noted that gay readers who were upset with an ad that ran in his publication in 2002 sent him letters asserting “that gays have a right to be rude or abusive because they themselves have been abused” (this obviously included being sexually abused).

And that’s why it was no surprise when a 2009 report prepared for a bisexual health summit revealed that 74 percent of bisexuals had been sexually abused as children. (For other studies focusing specifically on the connection between childhood sexual abuse and homosexuality, see here.)

As for the notion that people are born gay, not only would that suggest that infants can relate to the concepts of sexual and romantic attraction (which they obviously cannot), but it would also ignore the fact that our upbringing and environment have profound effects on us. Why deny such an obvious reality?

It is well-known that the children of alcoholics have a much higher chance of becoming alcoholics than the general population, and this cannot be blamed on genetics alone. As stated by the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, “Genes are not the only things children inherit from their parents. How parents act and how they treat each other and their children has an influence on children growing up in the family. These aspects of family life also affect the risk for alcoholism.”

In the same way, it is well-known that men who were abused as children are much more likely than the average population to abuse other children as adults. As summarized in a 2001 article in the British Journal of Psychology, “Among 747 males the risk of being a perpetrator was positively correlated with reported sexual abuse victim experiences. . . . A high percentage of male subjects abused in childhood by a female relative became perpetrators. Having been a victim was a strong predictor of becoming a perpetrator, as was an index of parental loss in childhood.”

But again, none of this should surprise us in the least, since the environment in which we are raised, especially if coupled with major, traumatic childhood experiences, has a profound effect on our ongoing mental and emotional and social development.

But again, none of this should surprise us in the least, since the environment in which we are raised, especially if coupled with major, traumatic childhood experiences, has a profound effect on our ongoing mental and emotional and social development.

Yet when it comes to homosexuality, it is taboo to connect childhood sexual abuse with subsequent gay identity since: 1) this would contradict the “born gay” myth; and 2) it would underscore the fact that homosexual attractions are not natural and positive.

As explained candidly by the lesbian feminist and academic Camille Paglia, “Every single gay person I know has some sort of drama going on, back in childhood. Something was happening that we’re not allowed to ask about anymore.” (She was speaking of bad relationships with parents as well as sexual abuse or other factors.)

In keeping with this, all the professional counselors I have spoken with (including trained pastors and psychologists or psychiatrists) have told me that the vast number of gays they have counseled were sexually abused as minors (some told me this was the case in every instance they encountered).

You might say, “But gays hardly have a monopoly on this. What about the problem of heterosexual schoolteachers having sex with their students, especially female teachers with male students?”

But you miss the point, since: 1) we all agree that this is terrible and abusive; and 2) most of us would agree that such relationships have the real potential of negatively affecting that child’s sexual and emotional development. Yet when it comes to gay men who were molested as boys, we’re told this did not contribute to their (homo)sexual development. More disturbingly, in gay circles, such relationships are often looked at as positive and nurturing, since, it is surmised, the boy was already aware of his same-sex attraction and the older man served as a mentor of sorts.

In the words of Harry Hay, the gay icon and founder of the American gay movement, “If the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world.”

You can be assured that such relationships would often become sexual, thereby providing the entry point into the larger homosexual “lifestyle.” (For other quotes from Hay, see here.)

Similarly, the renowned gay activist Larry Kramer opined, “In those cases where children do have sex with their homosexual elders... I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it, either because of a natural curiosity... or because he or she is homosexual and innately knows it. ... And unlike girls or women forced into rape or traumatized, most gay men have warm memories of their earliest and early sexual encounters; when we share these stories with each other, they are invariably positive ones.”

That’s why “man-boy love” has been celebrated in homosexual culture through the centuries, that’s why there’s a page listing “Historical pederastic couples” on a gay Wikipedia site, and that’s why George Takei could speak glowingly of his first sexual encounter at the age of 13 (with a 19-year-old male camp counselor), at a time when he admits he didn’t know he was gay.

In this light, the outrageous statement by philosopher Michael Foucalt, arguing for lowering the age of consent, doesn’t sound as outrageous: “It is quite difficult to lay down barriers [particularly since] it could be that the child, with his own sexuality, may have desired the adult.”

Ah yes, it was the child asking for it again. This too is sickening beyond words.

The reality is that children, especially pre-teens and young teens, are tremendously impressionable and malleable, as confirmed by this account shared by a Christian family activist (reflecting on his pre-Christian youth): “When I was about 14 or 15, I spent an afternoon smoking pot with a ‘gay’ guy in his 20’s who explained that young people during puberty have a very fluid sexual identity and how easy it had been for him to turn young teen boys into sex partners. . . . A confirming study I later saw said 25% of young teens suffer same-sex confusion but most grow out of it naturally by the end of adolescence.”

Ex-gay Robert Lopez, raised by his mother and her lesbian partner, had this to say: “In a society soaked in porn where sexual orientation is discussed openly in front of small children, there will certainly be 12- and 13-year-olds who think they want sex and think they are ready for it. When we discuss ‘gay identity’ with 6th graders, which is very common, what are we discussing? We are talking about sexual acts. Perhaps people need to stand up and resist the Human Rights Campaign’s recent push to force such curricula on elementary and middle schools.”

It is truly distasteful to speak of such things, but speak about them we must, given the ever-increasing scope of gay activism, especially in our children’s schools. And with the terribly painful issue of childhood sexual abuse coming to the fore in recent days, let’s use this as a teachable moment.

We can do this by: 1) being on the lookout for signs that our own children may have been abused; 2) refusing to allow our kids to be experimental pawns in the culture wars, because of which we strongly oppose sex-based LGBT curricula in the schools; and 3) no longer denying the common connection between childhood sexual abuse and adult homosexuality, thereby providing a path for healing and wholeness.

By doing these things, we will not only make this a teachable moment, we will make it a redemptive one.

See the numerous links in the article and Dante weeping in the corner
 

MrDante

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Youre an idiot, there are links in that article to many different pages - keep showing yourself a liar, i love it.

Please all do check it out for yourself since dante is a known lying troll.

and which link provides us references for the claim that "74% of bisexuals had been sexually abused as children"?

I won't wait around for you to answer. We all know you won't.

The answer is the link leads to the "Americans for truth" page which contains a dead link and absolutely no information about this report.
 

Danoh

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and what childhood environmental factors would these be?

Thing is that bringing up children is not an exact science, nor can it be.

As a result, what impacts one child in one way, given that child's particular chemical mix (emotions being chemical) and so on, can impact another child in a totally different way.

That parent's sense later in life that they somehow failed their child in one area or another, is from that kind of dynamic.

Given these kinds of complexities, one never knows what might impact a child one way, or the other.
 

ClimateSanity

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So some young boys, infants even, are less predisposed towards homosexuality than others molested - which the guy is arguing as a major factor in people becoming homosexual to begin with - even though they would have no particular disposition towards any sexual attraction at such an age anyway? The hoops you guys wrangle through to maintain that homosexuality is somehow *created* rather than natural is laughable. Even your argument that the attraction itself varies goes against it being unnatural.

No. It's beyond you.
 
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