Truth about climate change

rexlunae

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They look for reasons and ways to support global warming since their original predictions were laughably errant.

Such as?

They look at irregular weather patterns and, instead of anything else, jump straight to global warming.

No. They look at long-term sustained trends, and which hypotheses they support, and which they refute.

All the sources they present only show a rise up to almost two decades ago, where the temperature basically flat lined.

That's a lie. 1998 was a very warm year, in the midst of a warming trend that preceded it, and has continued since apace, albeit at a lower average temperature than 1998, which was an outlier. 2015 will be another warm year in the midst of a larger warming trend.
 

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That's a lie. 1998 was a very warm year, in the midst of a warming trend that preceded it, and has continued since apace, albeit at a lower average temperature than 1998, which was an outlier. 2015 will be another warm year in the midst of a larger warming trend.

Warm weathers followed by cold winters, Antarctica doubles in size, there's been no change in the global temperature- global warming is just a liberal duty to support, that's why you all feel the need to be some sort of meteorologist.
 

rexlunae

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Warm weathers followed by cold winters

...don't prove or disprove AGW. That would still occur either way.

..., Antarctica doubles in size,

That hasn't happened, doesn't happen, and won't happen. I think maybe you're confused by the annual expansion of the sea ice, which is 1) an annual cycle 2) unrelated to climate change, and 3) does not represent anything like all of the ice in Antarctica.

...there's been no change in the global temperature-

False.

https://www.climate.gov/news-featur...s-surface-temperature-stop-rising-past-decade

...global warming is just a liberal duty to support,

That's your mistake. You assume that since the political divide in the US seems to divide opinion on the reality of what science tells us, it must be entirely a political invention. It's not. There are politicians enabling denialism of reality, but there is a very dire reality at the core of the concern.

that's why you all feel the need to be some sort of meteorologist.

I'm not a meteorologist, but I do know quite a few of them personally. But they aren't really the folks studying climate change. The biggest changes so far have been in the oceans.
 
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rexlunae

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DO YOU NEED GLASSES? ARE YOU ALL BLIND?
TAKE A LOOK AT THE GRAPH, WITH A VISUAL AID :doh:

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Realize how much of a sheep you are :rolleyes:

Which one? There are several, and the only one that is flat is the ENSO graph, and note that ENSO is a naturally-occurring oscillation in the sea surface temperature that causes changes in the climate over a span of years.
 

way 2 go

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Temperature data from four international science institutions. All show rapid warming in the past few decades and that the last decade has been the warmest on record. Data sources: NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, NOAA National Climatic Data Center, Met Office Hadley Centre/Climatic Research Unit and the Japanese Meteorological Agency. http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

this is just like the coming ice age that was preached in the 1970's

http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/ny-times-1975-05-21.pdf



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The world could be as little as 50 or 60 years away from a disastrous new ice age, a leading atmospheric scientist predicts. Dr. S. I. Rasool of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and Columbia University says that:
 

Selaphiel

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this is just like the coming ice age that was preached in the 1970's

http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/ny-times-1975-05-21.pdf



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The world could be as little as 50 or 60 years away from a disastrous new ice age, a leading atmospheric scientist predicts. Dr. S. I. Rasool of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and Columbia University says that:

This lie does not become more true by repeating it. You are confusing popular media sensationalism with what the majority of the relevant scientific community said.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm


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way 2 go

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media got the alarmist info from scientist back then same as they do now

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An international team of specialists has concluded from eight indexes of climate that there is no end in sight to the cooling trend of the last 30 years, at least in the Northern Hemisphere.


The report, prepared by German, Japanese and American specialists, appears in the Dec. 15 issue of Nature, the British journal. The findings indicate that from 1950 to 1975 the cooling, per decade, of most climate indexes in the Northern Hemisphere was from 0.1 to 0.2 degrees Celsius, roughly 0.2 to 0.4 degrees Fahrenheit.
 

Selaphiel

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media got the alarmist info from scientist back then same as they do now

They were inspired by and blew up predictions from some scientific papers. If you are interested in what the scientific community says, then read scientific journals not newspapers. But it is incorrect to claim that MOST scientists predicted global cooling in the 70s, that is simply incorrect (as the metastudy by Peterson has demonstrated). Most climate scientists predicted warming even back then, but the consensus was not nearly as big as it is today (~60% if we go by Peterson's numbers). The only difference between the 70s and now is that the consensus among climate scientists is >97%, extremely few relevant scientists doubt the reality of anthropogenic global warming and climate change.

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An international team of specialists has concluded from eight indexes of climate that there is no end in sight to the cooling trend of the last 30 years, at least in the Northern Hemisphere.


The report, prepared by German, Japanese and American specialists, appears in the Dec. 15 issue of Nature, the British journal. The findings indicate that from 1950 to 1975 the cooling, per decade, of most climate indexes in the Northern Hemisphere was from 0.1 to 0.2 degrees Celsius, roughly 0.2 to 0.4 degrees Fahrenheit.

Thats one study, which the NY Times sensationalized. You would be wrong if you by this conclude that the majority of the community of climate scientists in the 70s predicted cooling
 

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An international team of specialists has concluded from eight indexes of climate that there is no end in sight to the cooling trend of the last 30 years, at least in the Northern Hemisphere.


The report, prepared by German, Japanese and American specialists, appears in the Dec. 15 issue of Nature, the British journal. The findings indicate that from 1950 to 1975 the cooling, per decade, of most climate indexes in the Northern Hemisphere was from 0.1 to 0.2 degrees Celsius, roughly 0.2 to 0.4 degrees Fahrenheit.

Ah well, a paper from the mid 70's. So why do you put so much credence on that? Did you read the paper or just the Times article?
 

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The global warming "pause" is going on 20 years now. You like the wording? :chuckle:
 

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The biggest hoax ever!!! Perpetuated through democrat controlled educational system, democrat controlled media, and the anti American UN...this so called climate change is for world domination, nothing more...it has nothing to do with climates...as climate have changed for centuries...this is about world governance as per Soros and his big billionaire buddies as well as FB Zuckerberg...one and that same... Why Real Scientists Mistrust ‘Climate Science’

Published on May 10, 2017

Written by John O'Sullivan

The biggest mistake made by supporters of the ‘consensus’ for man-made climate alarm is believing that government climate science has standing in the wider scientific community. It doesn’t. Below we explain why.

First, most people do not realize that the history of climate science – as taught in schools and universities and spoken about in a quiescent press – is less science, more propaganda. The narrative sold is that climate research is a long-established, prestige discipline which is composed of elite experts espousing long-accepted scientific proofs on how our climate works. This myth is not only laughable but is readily exposed when the diligent reader performs their own research.

Second, the public has been lied to about the very basis of such science. The Big Lie is about the ‘heat trapping’ properties of that ‘deadly gas’ carbon dioxide (CO2). This benign trace gas is actually plant food; it is pumped into greenhouses to boost plant yield – hardly a poison then. But to the climate crazy gang it is the control knob in the ‘settled science’ of greenhouse gas theory.

Climate Study is an Infant Science

Scratching the fake veneer we see that all through the 20th Century climate science per se wasn’t even a recognized discipline in ANY university for which a budding scientist could study for – and earn – a university degree. Not until after the dawn of the 21st Century was a university degree course in climatology open to students.

In 2010, checking around the world’s top centers of learning, we saw there were NO science graduates with a first degree in the field of climatology. Even in Britain, the birthplace of climate research and one of the top nations for investment in climate studies, there are very scant pickings if you want to become a student of climate science.

The University of East Anglia (UEA), the UK’s most prestigious university for Environmental Sciences – a position it has held for the last 30 years – did not open its doors to student applications for a degree in climatology until September 2010. This is the very institution long relied upon by the UN to be a key repository of the worlds’ official temperature records. Meanwhile, the only other UK academic institution to advertise courses in climate study was Bangor University which offered merely a ‘part time evening course’ in climatology that has a duration of only ’10 weeks.’

Criminal Destruction of Data by Academics

But the UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) is discredited as a bastion of reliable, solid science. It has earned infamy and scorn for betraying its role as a trusted international repository of records of global temperatures. We know its chief scientist, Professor Phil Jones admitted wrongdoing in that regard. At the height of the Climategate scandal (2009) Jones was exposed in the national press over the loss and destruction of important records that proved global cooling. It seems Jones wanted to ‘hide the decline’ in global warming so he simply got rid of swathes of inconvenient data – an unforgivable loss to all science. Amazingly, Jones kept his job. But then his employers were always happy with his cherry-picking methods. His politicized brand of alternative facts feeds a trillion dollar multi-national fraud with the ‘evidence’ it needs to tax the world into energy poverty.

Jones literally is as subjective and fanatical in his beliefs as any one those crazed climate activists who ‘march for science’ demanding governments cut ‘carbon emissions’ to save the planet. In 2009 Jones only escaped criminal prosecution because the short six-month statute of limitations had already expired before his crimes were exposed. Is that the kind of scientist ordinary taxpayers want running a key United Nations center for climate study?

Whenever skeptics have tried to persuade government climate ‘experts’ like Dr Jones to show the data and calculations proving their alarmist claims are scientifically rigorous and testable they are met with insults and refusal. Anyone questioning the orthodoxy is routinely told “you’re not qualified to dispute this, you’re not even a climate scientist!”

My colleagues from the ‘hard’ sciences tell me this brand of secret science betrays everything the traditional scientific method stands for. In 2010 I wrote:

“We saw that Lord Oxburgh, who chaired the much-touted 2010 ‘independent’ British report [1] into the Climategate scandal found that innumerate, cherry-picking climate scientists hyped up their global warming theory with unsubstantiated “subjective” claims. He officially recommended that skilled statisticians be brought in to hold the hand of these “climate experts. “

These “experts” systematically re-wrote the laws of chemistry and physics to describe carbon dioxide (CO2) as a “heat trapping” gas that is the control knob of earth’s climate. Weird that, because scientists working in industry or the applied sciences know that CO2 is one of the BEST gases used for COOLING things. In industry it has stood the test of time as one of the top, most effective refrigerant gases for almost a century.

Indeed, there is not one single industrial or applied science application anywhere on planet earth where CO2 is used to trap heat or delay cooling. Why not? Simply check the many science links here.

Peer-reviewed journals are now starting to admit the carbon dioxide-driven greenhouse gas theory is junk science. Last month the Sage Journal Energy & Environment published two papers proving as much.

The first paper ‘Role of atmospheric carbon dioxide in climate change‘ exposes the fraud about carbon dioxide. Those scientists found that:

“Understanding the correct role that atmospheric carbon dioxide plays in climate change removes the need for costly and ineffective measures to either contain human emissions or reduce the atmospheric content by artificial means.”

The second paper, ‘Role of greenhouse gases in climate change‘ found that:

“Ongoing alarm concerning human emissions of carbon dioxide into earth’s atmosphere depends on such emissions “enhancing” a supposed “greenhouse effect”. Such an effect has never been observed and thus, without such an effect, there is no need for climate alarm over human emissions of carbon dioxide.”

Now you can begin to understand why climate scientists are not rated highly by other scientists. It is no wonder climate science is mocked – it relies utterly on a pseudo-scientific theory called the radiative greenhouse gas effect which is pure tautology. In rhetoric ‘tautology’ is defined as using different words to say the same thing, or a series of self-reinforcing statements that cannot be disproved because they depend on the assumption that they are already correct. We never have and never will get a detailed scientific explanation of the “greenhouse gas” effect (GHE) because for climatologists to seek one would require them to dissect it, thus exposing the truth; it hangs on nothing of any substance.

With much input from my scientific colleagues (some of whom had worked on NASA’s Apollo space program) we ran a series of articles that provided a different back story to climate science than the one spun about “deadly” CO2. We saw that the idea of a GHE driven by carbon dioxide was re-invented in the late 1970’s after being widely accepted in science as being abandoned before 1950. The American Meteorological Society (AMS) reported then that the idea that CO2 could alter the climate “was never widely accepted and was abandoned when it was found that all the long-wave radiation [that would be] absorbed by CO2 is [already] absorbed by water vapor.” [2]

Carbon dioxide has been proven empirically from extensive use in industrial refrigeration for over the last century to be one of nature’s most powerful coolants. Independent climate researchers have shown it can only cool the climate, too.

Natural global cooling, not man-made global warming is the real theat. Solar scientists (not to be confused with climate scientists) say soon we may be entering a new ice age.

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[1] Lord Ronald Oxburgh’s independence is questionable insofar as he is heavily financially involved in renewables investments.https://www.publications.pa...

[2] Brooks, C.E.P. (1951). “Geological and Historical Aspects of Climatic Change.” In Compendium of Meteorology, edited by Thomas F. Malone, pp. 1004-18 (at 1016). Boston: American Meteorological Association.
 

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Presentation of Prof. Murry Salby in Hamburg, Germany, on 18 April 2013 with the title: Relationship between Greenhouse Gases and Global Temperature


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The points of Salby’s presentation lead to the following implications:
– In the Real World global temperature is not controlled exclusively by CO2, as it is in the Model World.
– In significant part, however, CO2 is controlled by Global Temperature, as it is in the Proxy Record.”
At the end of the presentation, Salby implies, quoting Richard Feynman, that CO2 science today can be described as “Cult Science”.
He sums up quoting Feynman: “If it differs from observations, then it’s wrong. That’s all there is to it.”
 

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Over the past 10 years, the climate has averaged about 1.7 degees F above the base period from 1950-1980. The trend is strongly upward.

If anyone would care to see the regression line, I could do that for you.
 
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