TRUMP'S VERBAL BULLYING: 1. Why does he do it? 2. Why do we tolerate it?

[Ktoyou]

Oh, the GOP can't stand him ... however, he riles his base (because they show low moral standards regardless of what he does), and they fear his reaction. They would much rather work with Pence. While I don't necessarily care for Pence, unlike Trump, he isn't a dangerous headcase.

Regardless, their willingness to turn a blind-eye to the Russian interference into the election shows just how little they care about our country as well.

the wealthy Wall street crowd believe Trump being impeached and Pence being president would be best for them. Trump has lost the Wall street crowd.
"Rump’s promises of fiscal stimulus, including tax cuts, deregulation and a boost to infrastructure spending of about $1 trillion, had underpinned the Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA, -0.78% S&P 500 index SPX, -0.86% and the Nasdaq Composite Index’s COMP, -1.44% recent record-setting rallies.

However, divisions within the Republican party over a health bill intended to overhaul the Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare, has cast doubt about the president’s ability to enact other elements of his ambitious legislative agenda."

The Trump trade is over!

 

[expos4ever]

Trump supporters are fine with it

And that is precisely what is so disturbing. That there is the occasional immature narcissist out there is neither surprising nor particularly worrying. What is both surprising and worrying is that there are tens of millions of Americans who think such a person is qualified to be President.

 

[patrick jane]

And that is precisely what is so disturbing. That there is the occasional immature narcissist out there is neither surprising nor particularly worrying. What is both surprising and worrying is that there are tens of millions of Americans who think such a person is qualified to be President.

What's really disturbing is the leftist snowflakes and social justice warriors that want socialism in America. Trump is qualified to be President because he won the election.

 

[patrick jane]

the wealthy Wall street crowd believe Trump being impeached and Pence being president would be best for them. Trump has lost the Wall street crowd.
"Rump’s promises of fiscal stimulus, including tax cuts, deregulation and a boost to infrastructure spending of about $1 trillion, had underpinned the Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA, -0.78% S&P 500 index SPX, -0.86% and the Nasdaq Composite Index’s COMP, -1.44% recent record-setting rallies.

However, divisions within the Republican party over a health bill intended to overhaul the Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare, has cast doubt about the president’s ability to enact other elements of his ambitious legislative agenda."

The Trump trade is over!

Wrong. Trump only signs legislation, he doesn't pass it

 

[expos4ever]

What's really disturbing is the leftist snowflakes and social justice warriors that want socialism in America.

Please articulate a specific concern - this is a fluffy statement that amounts to content-less name-calling. And what's worse, it is clearly irrelevant to the matter at issue and will be seen by reasonable as an attempt to deflect. But what other option do you have - as stated earlier, there is nowhere for Trump supporters to go on the "tweet" stuff - his own party is declaring it's highly inappropriate.

Trump is qualified to be President because he won the election.

Well, he did win the election and, in that sense is "qualified". But we all - you included - know full well that he lacks the basic skills and temperament for the job. Kim Kardashian could be elected President. Would a reasonable person say she is qualified?

 

[patrick jane]

Please articulate a specific concern - this is a fluffy statement that amounts to content-less name-calling. And what's worse, it is clearly irrelevant to the matter at issue and will be seen by reasonable as an attempt to deflect. But what other option do you have - as stated earlier, there is nowhere for Trump supporters to go on the "tweet" stuff - his own party is declaring it's highly inappropriate.


Well, he did win the election and, in that sense is "qualified". But we all - you included - know full well that he lacks the basic skills and temperament for the job. Kim Kardashian could be elected President. Would a reasonable person say she is qualified?

I encourage you to research some of the vitriol that has come from Joe & Mika in the past year. Trump fights back and wins every time, he hits back. That's who he is and we know exactly who we elected.

 

[lifeisgood]

Nope. This is really shaping up to be a great Presidency, one for the ages.

At least he doesn't double speak. You know exactly where he stands, like him or hate him.

 

[expos4ever]

I encourage you to research some of the vitriol that has come from Joe & Mika in the past year. Trump fights back and wins every time, he hits back. That's who he is and we know exactly who we elected.

First of all, I never denied that Joe and Mika said nasty, hurtful things. But I have argued in detail why the President, by specific virtue of the extraordinary power s/he wields, should not retaliate. Please address those arguments.

And on the matter of "winning": It is precisely this notion that all transactions have to result in a "winner" and a "loser" that is one of the many reasons your President is not qualified for his job. Even if that is true in the world of business, it decidedly not the case for a political leader. If Trump supporters think "winning" is important, then I suggest they could benefit from some serious introspection.

 

[patrick jane]

First of all, I never denied that Joe and Mika said nasty, hurtful things. But I have argued in detail why the President, by specific virtue of the extraordinary power s/he wields, should not retaliate. Please address those arguments.

And on the matter of "winning": It is precisely this notion that all transactions have to result in a "winner" and a "loser" that is one of the many reasons your President is not qualified for his job. Even if that is true in the world of business, it decidedly not the case for a political leader. If Trump supporters think "winning" is important, then I suggest they could benefit from some serious introspection.

I looked for your "detailed arguments" and didn't see them. Needless to say, they are only opinion. Times have changed and social media is prominent now. Why should Trump be like previous leaders when he faces unprecedented attacks from haters. The hatred of Trump consumes the demonrats and the left, it's all they can talk about.

 

[patrick jane]

First of all, I never denied that Joe and Mika said nasty, hurtful things. But I have argued in detail why the President, by specific virtue of the extraordinary power s/he wields, should not retaliate. Please address those arguments.

And on the matter of "winning": It is precisely this notion that all transactions have to result in a "winner" and a "loser" that is one of the many reasons your President is not qualified for his job. Even if that is true in the world of business, it decidedly not the case for a political leader. If Trump supporters think "winning" is important, then I suggest they could benefit from some serious introspection.

You must have gotten a PM from Rusha, so you're not responding to me. Leftist move. Thankfully, soon I will be off of TOL and living my life. You lefties can sit and complain about our President everyday and pat each other on the back. :yawn:

 

[expos4ever]

I looked for your "detailed arguments" and didn't see them.

My mistake - I presented those arguments in post 9 of "Mika Gets Upset".

Needless to say, they are only opinion.

What? how can you possibly know they are only "opinion" if you were not given the opportunity to read them (due to my mistake, as conceded above)?

Times have changed and social media is prominent now. Why should Trump be like previous leaders when he faces unprecedented attacks from haters. The hatred of Trump consumes the demonrats and the left, it's all they can talk about.

The times have changed argument does not wash - past leaders were still subject to unfair vitriol and they generally did not reply in kind - they respected the dignity and special privileges of the Presidency.

I agree a lot of people hate Trump. But that has precisely zero relevance here. The point is that Mr. Trump needs to respect the dignity of the office and not resort to mud-slinging.

 

[expos4ever]

You must have gotten a PM from Rusha, so you're not responding to me.

Nope.

Leftist move.

Tribal and demonizing - you are evading the issue by trying to slap a label on me.

 

[patrick jane]

I agree a lot of people hate Trump. But that has precisely zero relevance here. The point is that Mr. Trump needs to respect the dignity of the office and not resort to mud-slinging.

I agree, Trump should be more dignified and stop tweeting. What did he say that was so bad, so offensive?

 

[patrick jane]

Nope.


Tribal and demonizing - you are evading the issue by trying to slap a label on me.

ALL Anti-Trumpers are leftists

 

[expos4ever]

What's really disturbing is the leftist snowflakes and social justice warriors that want socialism in America.

OK, let's talk about "socialism". There is a saying that goes "A good narrative always defeats the facts". The idea is that human beings who fall under the spell of a compelling story are likely to reject established that clash with the shape of that story.

A classic example: fundamentalists who reject a clear fact - evolution - because it clashes with their version of the Christian narrative.

Why is this relevant here? I suggest that if we look at actual data capturing "quality of life" measures (life expectancy, prosperity, security, health,...) we will find that western European "socialist" nations are clustered at the top with the United States well back in the pack. And yet many Americans, enthralled by romantic idealizations about "freedom" and "self-determination" still think that their system is better.

There is a lot to be said about American values. But I suggest a sober, dispassionate evaluation of the data indicates that Americans would be better off if they moved somewhat in a more "socialist" direction.

 

[expos4ever]

ALL Anti-Trumpers are leftists

Why is it important to you to use labels? Why not discuss the actual issues without appealing to the labels.

I will be very interested to read your reply.

 

[patrick jane]

OK, let's talk about "socialism". There is a saying that goes "A good narrative always defeats the facts". The idea is that human beings who fall under the spell of a compelling story are likely to reject established that clash with the shape of that story.

A classic example: fundamentalists who reject a clear fact - evolution - because it clashes with their version of the Christian narrative.

Why is this relevant here? I suggest that if we look at actual data capturing "quality of life" measures (life expectancy, prosperity, security, health,...) we will find that western European "socialist" nations are clustered at the top with the United States well back in the pack. And yet many Americans, enthralled by romantic idealizations about "freedom" and "self-determination" still think that their system is better.

There is a lot to be said about American values. But I suggest a sober, dispassionate evaluation of the data indicates that Americans would be better off if they moved somewhat in a more "socialist" direction.

"The goal of socialism is communism" - Lenin

 

[patrick jane]

Why is it important to you to use labels? Why not discuss the actual issues without appealing to the labels.

I will be very interested to read your reply.

I'm sorry for blaming Rusha sending you a PM and I am logging off soon but I'll be back. I think I remember you saying you're not an American, so to me, that negates your "data" from left wing socialist sources.

 

[Rusha]

Nope.


Tribal and demonizing - you are evading the issue by trying to slap a label on me.

Oh my. You are being accused of receiving an PM from someone you don't know. And thus the hysteria of the Trump Saga continues ....

:crackup:

 

[expos4ever]

I think I remember you saying you're not an American, so to me, that negates your "data" from left wing socialist sources.

This is just plain silly - how does the fact that I am not a US citizen change the data that experts have gathered.

And, yet again, you deploy labels. Do you understand that demonizing labels of whatever sort - "leftie", "right-wing", etc. - are used to evade having to engage the actual issue. After all, it is much easier to attempt to tar someone with a label than actually do the hard work of dealing with the nuts and bolts of the issue.