Trump Admits "Lock Her Up" Was Campaign Lie Only.

[rexlunae]

Nobody really cares what happens to Hillary and her crookedness, it was used as a threatening message to keep her from appearing to have fully vindicated herself.

Now that Trump is President-elect, he has voiced a desire to get America back into a more unified country- prosecuting the Left's beloved queen is not the best starting place.

So, "lock her up" was just a campaign slogan? And such a charming one...

I thought he wasn't supposed to be a politician...

The only people being 'duped' are the one's constantly spewing the same nonsense we've been dealing with for years and years. The slandering, the misconceptions- this giant, reactionary spaz America is becoming- it's gotten old and crippling to the nation.

So, you say you weren't duped. But you've just swallowed his flip-flop, and you're here defending it.

 

[Crucible]

So, you say you weren't duped. But you've just swallowed his flip-flop, and you're here defending it.

You're imagining things with your biased eyes. Must be a day that ends with a 'y'.

The Democrats haven't done anything but lie to people. They are ruining black people, turning society into a matriarchy, and selling out the country to immigrants and globalists.

You all are the one's duped- into scrutinizing American Christians while Islam banks in on you all's stupidity, or calling everyone racist and sexist and expecting that this country was actually going to vote your way- you all are a bunch of SHEEP, and the past five years has made that clear enough for me to frankly be alert to what any one of you say because tomorrow there will be a cult following.
That's what you all are- a cult on a grand scale :wave2:

 

[rexlunae]

You're imagining things from the outside trying to look in.

Huh?

The Democrats haven't done anything but lie to people. They are ruining black people, turning society into a matriarchy, and selling out the country to immigrants and globalists.

Yeah, a real matriarchy. How many women have been president, again? How many are in Congress? Or the Supreme Court?

You all are the one's duped into scrutinizing American Christians while Islam banks in on you all's stupidity, or calling everyone racist and sexist and expecting that this country was actually going to vote your way- you all are a bunch of SHEEP, and the past five years has made that clear enough for me to frankly on alert to what any one of you say because tomorrow there will be a cult following.
That's what you all are- a cult on a grand scale :wave2:

Pro tip: If you don't want you're religion treated as a single, atomic, unit, don't talk about Islam as if it's a single individual thing.

 

[Crucible]

Yeah, a real matriarchy. How many women have been president, again? How many are in Congress? Or the Supreme Court?

America still has this value, you see, where women do not get into office simply for being women. It's too bad Europe can't do the same, because like what you did just now, all other issues are forfeited to their obsession with feminist tripe.

Here's some good insight for you to ignore:

Black people vote Democrat because they feel that the Left will opportune them more than the Right.
They voted for Obama- and what happened? The black women were lavished with benefits and quotas, which cut out black fathers in the family unit.
Instead of those black men retaining dignity, they have you fools saying they can't get to a DMV to get identification for jobs.

You all are just useless, problematic people

 

[Arthur Brain]

Huh?



Yeah, a real matriarchy. How many women have been president, again? How many are in Congress? Or the Supreme Court?



Pro tip: If you don't want you're religion treated as a single, atomic, unit, don't talk about Islam as if it's a single individual thing.

Crucible thinks that a woman having a job in a shop is symptomatic of the sky falling in on his head and women taking over the planet.

Saying that, it's more than feasible that something dropped on his head at some point...

 

[rocketman]

A lot of people use the word in hyperbole, especially on the Internet. I do not. I mean it very literally, and based on a specific set of comparisons, including the tactics he uses to gain power and incite anger in his followers, and the specific rhetorical tactics he uses.

You use it because you have not educated yourself on Hitler or the Nazi party to any extent obviously. Just as when conservatives use it to describe Obama it is you grasping at straws to analogize a man you detest. I believe you detest Trump as badly as I detest Obama, the left, and all that they stand for, which is in my mind what they have always stood for... anti-constitutionalism, anti-liberty, anti-private property, anti-self protection (guns), et al., basically the left are nothing more than a Saul Alinsky brand of marxists that hate this nation and all that it stands for, it is nothing new, there are just more of them. It is easy to sell that nonsense when there are few good jobs, a waning economy, and an entire generation that has never experienced a government that is smaller and an economy that is bigger, robuster, where everyone is living the American dream and yes, I am old enough to experienced both, now & then that is...why do you think Trump's mantra was "Make America Great Again"? Stick around you might just like what you see in the next 8 years...:chuckle: I will address your points one at a time...

1. He demagogues against marginal groups to incite his followers to anger. This includes immigrants, racial minorities, BLM and those who seek to advance the rights of black people, and Muslims. Sure, it's true that he isn't talking about just rounding up people and murdering them. But then, that wasn't Hitler's first plan for the Jews, either. At first, Hitler just wanted to expel the groups of people that weren't considered German enough.

I know this may come as shock to you but, the "immigrants" as you say are "illegal immigrants", that would mean that they don't have a legal right to be here, furthermore a country is defined by it's borders and the laws that govern immigration, if you think that is harsh look at Mexico's immigration laws and the penalties for violating their border, so there is that. BLM is a radical fringe group which deserves to be marginalized for the radical racist hate group that it is, they are no more working to advance rights of black people than the Klan was attempting to push caucasian rights. In case you are not informed it is radical sects of the Muslim faith that take great issue with the west and have attacked us on on our soil many times in recent history, I know that is an inconvenient truth but, the job of the president according to our constitution is to protect it's people and identifying the enemy of the state comes with that, if people of the muslim faith in this nation are aligned with the enemy they should be rooted out, and the ones that are not should help in that effort which they don't or won't but, speaking freely the about problem is the first step to fixing it. I know liberals hate that, it doesn't fit with political correctness which is also on the list to be vanquished. Finally, if someone is in this country illegally than they should worry that the law will finally prevail, I don't go to a foreign country to work, collect benefits, or vote and not have the expectation that I will someday be ousted either, America should be no different, we have laws...enforce them.

2. He practices the tactic of the Big Lie (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/), described by Hitler in Mein Kampf, and discussed by Joseph Goebbels as well.

How convenient that you don't want to address the laundry list of lies Obama or any of the minions on the left that have perpetrated over the past eight years. Even a casual google search on Obama's lies much less Hillary's will give you hours of information to glean on the subject of lying. This site has compiled a list of quoted lies told by Obama...enjoy.

http://www.youngcons.com/the-ultimate-list-of-barack-obamas-big-fat-lies/

3. Related to the Big Lie, he publicly denounces the free press when they report on him accurately. This is also a tactic borrowed from the Nazis. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...npresse-a-nazi-slur-shouted-at-a-trump-rally/

There is nothing free, or even truthful in the press that is why Trump has went around them to get out his message verbatim using social media which just chaps the media's backside. The left wing imbedded media has been defanged, and has no credibility to act as a gatekeeper of information anymore. It is about time they were called out on their lies & overt bias in disseminating information, with the media it is about creating narratives not reporting facts, and if they were free or even fair our nation probably would not be so screwed up. The media has been derelict in its duty to keep government officials...all government officials in check, they did that to themselves, and nobody but leftists are listening to their nonsense anymore.

4. He undermines confidence in democratic processes and norms.

Democratic processes and norms? that is really funny given your president has been ruling through executive fiat for the past 6 years since he lost a majority to rubber stamp his crazy left policies. Really, liberals have no way they can claim they are remotely democratic or that they can even spell the word compromise, that is why they have been losing ground nationally for years now.

5. An authoritarian personality cult. While many politicians portray themselves as transformative, Trump seems to suggest that this will occur without reference to any specific policy, but by virtue of his potency as a leader.

As opposed to ruling with a pen and a phone as not being authoritarian right? Ruling through executive order is not setting policy it is issuing edicts. Do you see a theme here when you attempt to analogize Trump or Obama? You really got nuthin...

6. Trump has talked about "opening up libel laws" to silence critics.

If the statements are slanderous and he can prove it in a court of law that would be libel, no?

It's true that whereas Hitler was a determined political animal, Trump often seems nearly apolitical. This may make Trump's personal politics relatively unimportant, as he's likely to acquiesce to whoever wields the most influence over him. Still, where Trump's politics are discernible, they seem very Hitleresque to me. And it may be that America's institutions are resilient enough to handle a Nazi head of state better than the Weimar Republic could. But I don't really want to find out.

So really you have no idea how the man will govern at this point and nor do I but, after dealing with 8 years of lies, corruption, and executive tyranny in lieu of public discourse I am willing to give the man a chance. You haven't made a point here just a vague speculation with no evidence to back it up.

Now that is a trivial description. What kind of emperor stands for election? What kind of emperor spends so much time fighting Congress to accomplish anything? What kind of emperor allows their policies to be overturned by independent courts?

The kind of emperor which cannot find compromise on any policy he offers, using a democratic process (your words) and attempting to go it alone ruling through executive order, using government departments as weapons just like any good tyrant does. That is the legacy of this president, and all those piles of executive edicts, not legislation, will be wiped out just as quick as they were issued which is a good reason to use the democratic process, to find compromise for all people instead of going it alone, forcing policy, and having everything that you have accomplished knocked down like the house of cards it is.

You don't have to like Obama. But he's no emperor. He's the twice-elected President, and by a real majority both times.

Here we go, another liberal which does not understand the constitution, the difference between pure democracy (which this government isn't) and representative republic. He was elected twice to be sure by the same system that has been in place since this country was founded and the constitution was ratified, he won the majority of States which is the standard much to your chagrin, it is not a mob rule system, and unless you libs can muster a super majority (very doubtful)to change our constitution it will never be mob rule i.e. popular vote. There are reasons that the founders of the nation designed it that way and there are numerous extraneous writings in the federalist papers as to why, you can start with federalist 10.

Hillary Clinton won more votes than Trump by a wide margin.

Irrelevant, nationwide popular vote is not the standard in our country and never has been, I know that whole constitution thing is great inconvenience for you liberals but, that is our system of government, if you want mob rule than move to any banana republic and you will get just that.

Democrats made advances in both houses of Congress despite being the ruling party. Only the broken electoral system allowed Republicans to hold the White House and Congress. Democrats do face a structural strategic problem, in that their supporters live close together, and when it comes to US elections, living further apart matters. But the notion that the election represents a popular rebuke to them is silly. A rebuke in some states, perhaps, but then, the Rust Belt has been tracking more conservative recently, so it isn't exactly new.

You really have yourself fooled don't you? the facts are that Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats under Obama, Pelosi, and Reid's watch and have never been in this much of a minority nationwide since the 1920's wake up dude! The electoral system is not broken it worked exactly how it was supposed to, again, it is not mob rule pure democracy but, a representative republic which means the states have a say as well as the people that dwell in them, even if the populace of a state is very small they still have a voice in the presidential election, San Francisc, New York City,Seattle, Los Angeles, et al do not have the right to decide the president of an entire nation because they hold the largest population, you have to win the majority of states & their electors as well. That is the system for over 200 years get over it already, you have to sell your message to rural Nebraska as well as San Francisco to win. If you are still in denial about the state of the democratic party maybe this article will help, going even further left won't help the democrat's position that is for sure.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-the-democratic-party/?utm_term=.e631ecb92aed

The one advantage for the Democrats in "losing" this election is that they will be the party out of power in the next election. The party out of power tends to do better. And I'm honestly curious to see what the Republicans do with a number of the programs that they've wanted to undermine so badly for so long. As rhetorically popular as it is, it's going to be politically difficult for them to repeal Obamacare, because that will involve a lot of people losing their insurance.

If moving further to the left is the strategy being out of power may be a permanent problem for them, unless democrats can reconnect with average Americans instead of crony elites they are doomed to fail going forward, the people are on to their scam. When people's tax burden goes down, regulations on business are lifted and the economy blooms for them with jobs & prosperity the libs will be hard pressed to resell the same message, just how I am reading it anyway. I don't know how Trump & co intend to repeal & replace Obamacare but, it has to be done, this attempt at fixing healthcare has been an economic disaster so, it will be replaced but, with what is anybody's guess at this point, I think that in the end we will all be better for it because it won't survive in it's current form because nobody can afford it.

As far as the social and environmental messages of the Democratic Party goes, neither of them are expendable. And the Democrats are, generally, on the right side of both.

Speaking from a far leftists POV of course, certainly not from the other half of the country that is opposed to that nonsense. You cannot force your worldview on an entire nation when half of it's occupants disagree, keep your ideology to yourself or amongst your likeminded lemmings, the nation has just rejected it... except for urban coastal liberals of course.

And, they are not the cause of our economic problems.

False! Government regulation, taxation, and social giveaways (entitlements) are the root cause of our economic problems.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/23/richard-rahn-regulations-will-ruin-the-economy/

This country does have real serious economic problems, but neither part has much of a handle on them. Sanders was just about the closest, but I don't think anyone has exactly figured out how to build an economy where there can be enormous productivity without creating a lot of jobs.

I beg to differ, and productivity without working is just nonsense just look at the other failing socialist democracies that practice it say Greece, Italy, Spain all of which are a complete drain on the productive nations in the EU. Our nation has been the most prosperous nation on the globe because we don't practice socialism. The free market, capitalism, & liberty are the reasons why America is the most proserpous nation. The government was never supposed to exist to provide for you anything more than a nation where you could excel or fail on your own accord, not for the citizenry to be the funders of a nanny state that provides the needs of other citizens on the backs of others. That is why not being productive and expecting a government check from cradle to grave does not work...and never has.

180 degrees, you mean?

I mean that your ideas of government & mine, or Trump's worldview & Obama's are as far as the east is from the west...they could not be further apart.

I'm just savoring finally getting a conservative to acknowledge that so much of what has been claimed about Obama is a knee-jerk. But really, my conclusion that Trump is a Nazi isn't (see above).

No, I did not say that so save the savor, what I did say is that comparing Trump or Obama to Adolf Hitler or the Nazi regime is knee jerk hyperbole & just demonstrably false.

I don't really disagree with you. It seems like they're gotten caught in a dilemma, where they seem to recognize the problem with money in politics, but they can't seem to focus on popular appeal instead of fundraising.

That is part of the equation, the other part is what you deny. Democrats have lost their historic base of the working class because they just like republican establishment types cannot sell their globalist, crony capitalist message to the masses any longer. If you cannot serve average working class/middle class citizens where they are advancing in life economically than the message is doomed for failure, the jig is up, and if Trump does not deliver the division will only intensify. The working class people could not give a rip about social or environmental politics if it does not fill their wallets... that in a nutshell is why the democrats have lost the working man, and election after election they lose ground.

Which is why an elderly Jew who wasn't even a party member managed to do so well in their primary.

Bernie never had a chance in the primary Rex, the entire thing was rigged against him before he gave the first speech, I cannot believe that you can even posit that nonsense. The other reasons Bernie did so well is people reject the liberal elites that are running the same globalist crony capitalist game that the republican establishment does...two sides of the same coin, and the fact that Hillary Clinton was damaged goods from the get go, she is a pathological liar, a currently unindicted felon that has numerous scandals that surround her...facts are facts, inconvenient though they may be.

And they also don't have much of an activist base.

:rotfl: Now that is rich...

It's a party of ever-fewer elites who don't seem to understand the importance of appealing to actual voters, and who think that being right is enough.

:rotfl: Your killing me here...You keep telling yourself that, the fact that you cannot sell this crap to anyone but, urban coastal elites and not to mainstream America or the working class should be a big clue.

When Obama was running in 2008, he had a real 50-state strategy. I saw him speak in North Dakota, a state he had as much chance of winning as Narnia. But he was an underdog, so he had to win his primary by appealing to the People directly.

Which is exactly why he won, he appealed to the people directly just as Trump has done but, after 8 years of economic stagnation & failed liberal policies that have cost many their jobs, health care, etc you cannot sell that mess anymore it doesn't work for average Americans and never will. Time to get a new direction and leave the fringe groups where they belong...on the fringe.

And we learn after she lost the election, that even after being surprisingly beaten in the Rust Belt states (especially Michigan) in the primary by Sanders, she had still taken these states so for granted that she hadn't bothered to visit them even once...because they weren't considered purple states. She certainly didn't earn any points for tactics.

Face it, Hillary Clinton is an elitist that had been drug so far left by Bernie in the primaries that she could never make it back to the center. I say that the democrats should continue to the left of left because it only pushes average Americans to the right.

They need to get people engaged in ways that actually work for the party. They need to get people involved in all levels of government, not just a few federal offices. And they need to actually tell people how their policies benefit everyone. It shouldn't be hard.

It is hard because the policies of the left don't promote growth, that is why it doesn't sell, and if liberals such as yourself continue ignore that fact, moving away from sanity, pushing fringe social and environmental nonsense, than expect to keep losing elections because once the working man gets more money back in his paycheck the left will be hard pressed to win over working middle class voters going forward. Liberals did not just lose an election they are losing the culture war.

 

[rexlunae]

You use it because you have not educated yourself on Hitler or the Nazi party to any extent obviously.

Wrong. See my multi-point comparison.

Just as when conservatives use it to describe Obama it is you grasping at straws to analogize a man you detest.

As I said before, it's not an analogy. I mean it literally.

I believe you detest Trump as badly as I detest Obama,...

That may be true, but it's hardly the point. My feelings about Trump are grounded in facts. You feelings about Obama are largely not.

It is easy to sell that nonsense when there are few good jobs, a waning economy, and an entire generation that has never experienced a government that is smaller and an economy that is bigger, robuster, where everyone is living the American dream and yes, I am old enough to experienced both, now & then that is...

Tax rates are nearly at the lowest point in 60 years, and prior to 2001, they were significantly higher. When exactly are you saying this golden age of libertarian small government was?

why do you think Trump's mantra was "Make America Great Again"?

Because he is playing on the legitimate anxieties and frustrations of middle-class Americans who have been repeatedly betrayed by people just like him. He's promising to bring back good jobs, but he's not even talking about the right problems.

Stick around you might just like what you see in the next 8 years...:chuckle: I will address your points one at a time...

Why, because he's going to invest heavily in climate action, cut our use of fossil fuels, and mitigate the pending climate disaster? No? Is he going to do something concrete to break the relationship between money and political power in this country? No? Is he going to do anything about income inequality? No? Is he going to protect immigrants and refugees, and work toward a world order free of stupid wars? No?

Unless you can name something specific he's going to do about any of those, then it's not likely I'm going to like anything he does.

I know this may come as shock to you but, the "immigrants" as you say are "illegal immigrants", that would mean that they don't have a legal right to be here, furthermore a country is defined by it's borders and the laws that govern immigration, if you think that is harsh look at Mexico's immigration laws and the penalties for violating their border, so there is that. BLM is a radical fringe group which deserves to be marginalized for the radical racist hate group that it is, they are no more working to advance rights of black people than the Klan was attempting to push caucasian rights. In case you are not informed it is radical sects of the Muslim faith that take great issue with the west and have attacked us on on our soil many times in recent history, I know that is an inconvenient truth but, the job of the president according to our constitution is to protect it's people and identifying the enemy of the state comes with that, if people of the muslim faith in this nation are aligned with the enemy they should be rooted out, and the ones that are not should help in that effort which they don't or won't but, speaking freely the about problem is the first step to fixing it. I know liberals hate that, it doesn't fit with political correctness which is also on the list to be vanquished. Finally, if someone is in this country illegally than they should worry that the law will finally prevail, I don't go to a foreign country to work, collect benefits, or vote and not have the expectation that I will someday be ousted either, America should be no different, we have laws...enforce them.

You aren't a refugee. Or even a dreamer. You shouldn't judge people based on the assumption that their lives are like yours. If you were a peace-loving Syrian, and you found yourself in the middle of a war that you didn't ask for, you might wonder why it was so difficult to find people willing to give you a safe place to go.

How convenient that you don't want to address the laundry list of lies Obama or any of the minions on the left that have perpetrated over the past eight years. Even a casual google search on Obama's lies much less Hillary's will give you hours of information to glean on the subject of lying. This site has compiled a list of quoted lies told by Obama...enjoy.

http://www.youngcons.com/the-ultimate-list-of-barack-obamas-big-fat-lies/

If you're just interested in bulk metrics, you can see the difference in the bell curves:

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/

I mean, Trump has more statements rated "False" or "Pants on Fire" than all other categories combined. Obama isn't even close to that.

But that's not the tactic of the Big Lie. The Big Lie is a specific rhetorical tactic to take control of what people believe. So Trump will say, for instance, that Barack Obama is the founder of ISIS, because it enrages everyone, and actually makes his followers trust him that much more. This is similar to how Hitler claimed that Jews would use the blood of Christians to make their Passover bread. This is a special type of lying that no American politician in either party has done in recent times, no matter how duplicitous, but there is one prominent 20th Century German politicians who made it an explicit tactic.

There is nothing free, or even truthful in the press that is why Trump has went around them to get out his message verbatim using social media which just chaps the media's backside. The left wing imbedded media has been defanged, and has no credibility to act as a gatekeeper of information anymore. It is about time they were called out on their lies & overt bias in disseminating information, with the media it is about creating narratives not reporting facts, and if they were free or even fair our nation probably would not be so screwed up. The media has been derelict in its duty to keep government officials...all government officials in check, they did that to themselves, and nobody but leftists are listening to their nonsense anymore.

There is plenty to criticize about the press, and the industry as a whole has been undermined by the same economic forces that have lead to a lot of the problems we've seen in the large economy. But, with a few exceptions, they aren't broadly dishonest in the way Trump contends. Even most of the journalists on Fox News (I'm not talking the commentators like Sean Hannity here) are personally basically honest. There is a dangerous pressure to maintain viewership, and too much profit interest, but generally, they aren't going to present something that is deliberately untrue. Trump has to undermine trust in them because they are a threat to his authority. The fact that trust has eroded in them helps him to do that, but his tactics are quite dishonest, and again, a direct copy from Nazi Germany.

Democratic processes and norms? that is really funny given your president has been ruling through executive fiat for the past 6 years since he lost a majority to rubber stamp his crazy left policies. Really, liberals have no way they can claim they are remotely democratic or that they can even spell the word compromise, that is why they have been losing ground nationally for years now.

That executive authority is the product of lawful mechanisms according to processes established by Congress. It is a part of the democratic process, and in part because Congress recognizes that while they must broadly make the political decisions, they are underqualified to get into some of the details.

If the statements are slanderous and he can prove it in a court of law that would be libel, no?

Well, except that there are no federal libel laws, and he has invoked these non-existent laws in the context of accurate reporting. And given his history of filing SLAPP lawsuits against any and all detractors, including comedians, it's a little terrifying from someone who will soon hold actual political power in addition to great wealth.

Bill Maher once joked that he would give Trump one million dollars if he could prove that he wasn't related to an orangutan. And Trump sued him for it. The court saw the joke as what it clearly was, and threw it out, but what if Trump had the ability to launch weapons, or rendition someone?

So really you have no idea how the man will govern at this point and nor do I but, after dealing with 8 years of lies, corruption, and executive tyranny in lieu of public discourse I am willing to give the man a chance. You haven't made a point here just a vague speculation with no evidence to back it up.

I have enough objections to how he's lived his life up to now to know that giving him more power is a bad idea.

The kind of emperor which cannot find compromise on any policy he offers, using a democratic process (your words) and attempting to go it alone ruling through executive order, using government departments as weapons just like any good tyrant does. That is the legacy of this president, and all those piles of executive edicts, not legislation, will be wiped out just as quick as they were issued which is a good reason to use the democratic process, to find compromise for all people instead of going it alone, forcing policy, and having everything that you have accomplished knocked down like the house of cards it is.

I think you can make the accusation against Congress at least as strongly. It's not as if they've been eager to compromise with the President.

Here we go, another liberal which does not understand the constitution, the difference between pure democracy (which this government isn't) and representative republic. He was elected twice to be sure by the same system that has been in place since this country was founded and the constitution was ratified, he won the majority of States which is the standard much to your chagrin, it is not a mob rule system, and unless you libs can muster a super majority (very doubtful)to change our constitution it will never be mob rule i.e. popular vote. There are reasons that the founders of the nation designed it that way and there are numerous extraneous writings in the federalist papers as to why, you can start with federalist 10.

The stated goal of Madison's reasoning in Federalist #10 is to control the effects of "faction", i.e. "a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community." But the problem with this is that both Democrats and Republicans each represent factions, and they've won every election since the Civil War. And before that, other factions had done the same in every election since 1800. Never since the administration of George Washington has faction not ruled, including when James Madison himself was President.

In fact, Federalist #10 states that "If a faction consists of less than a majority, relief is supplied by the republican principle, which enables the majority to defeat its sinister views by regular vote." In other words, Madison imagines that a minority will be unable to rule. But the electoral college, and the districting process, give Republicans control of the Presidency and the House of Representatives, giving them unified government and the ability to rule under the Constitution despite being a minority. Madison's theory about how this would work fails on its own stated terms, and negates his stated objective.

Irrelevant, nationwide popular vote is not the standard in our country and never has been, I know that whole constitution thing is great inconvenience for you liberals but, that is our system of government, if you want mob rule than move to any banana republic and you will get just that.

The Founders didn't foresee the impact of urbanization on the country. The fact that we have cities, and that the urban/rural split also sorts political preferences, guarantees that future undemocratic results will occur. You may be successful in frustrating the will of the majorities living in cities for a time, but the country's demographics are against that in the long run, if not by established Constitutional processes, then perhaps by revolution.

You really have yourself fooled don't you? the facts are that Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats under Obama, Pelosi, and Reid's watch and have never been in this much of a minority nationwide since the 1920's wake up dude!

If you don't see the failure of the existing Constitutional order to accurately represent the will of the voters, and to empower voters to chose their government, the real problem is yours. Yes, Democrats have a tactical problem, but the history of minorities to rule in the long term is pretty limited.

The electoral system is not broken it worked exactly how it was supposed to, again, it is not mob rule pure democracy but, a representative republic which means the states have a say as well as the people that dwell in them, even if the populace of a state is very small they still have a voice in the presidential election, San Francisc, New York City,Seattle, Los Angeles, et al do not have the right to decide the president of an entire nation because they hold the largest population, you have to win the majority of states & their electors as well.

It isn't "mob rule" to give the office to the person who gets the most votes.

If moving further to the left is the strategy being out of power may be a permanent problem for them, unless democrats can reconnect with average Americans instead of crony elites they are doomed to fail going forward, the people are on to their scam. When people's tax burden goes down, regulations on business are lifted and the economy blooms for them with jobs & prosperity the libs will be hard pressed to resell the same message, just how I am reading it anyway.

I know you won't believe me, but Republicans have tried that strategy repeatedly and it hasn't worked. Tax cuts do not lead to long-term growth, because the thing that prevents growth is not generally business owners having too little money. Regulation can hinder growth and innovation, but it's a lot harder than you'd like to believe to get rid of them, because for the most part, contrary to Republican claims, we don't really have lots of regulation for no good reason, and all regulation is generally subject to rule-making processes instituted by Congress.

I don't know how Trump & co intend to repeal & replace Obamacare but, it has to be done, this attempt at fixing healthcare has been an economic disaster so, it will be replaced but, with what is anybody's guess at this point, I think that in the end we will all be better for it because it won't survive in it's current form because nobody can afford it.

If Republicans are willing to take a serious look at a solution to the problem instead of just complaining about the ACA, I'd truly be eager to see it. So far, since they've been out of power, they've gotten away with just talking. Congress did send Obama a repeal bill, which they knew Obama would veto, but not a replacement. Do you think they have the integrity to try the same thing again with President Trump? There are going to be a lot of people upset if they do.

Speaking from a far leftists POV of course, certainly not from the other half of the country that is opposed to that nonsense. You cannot force your worldview on an entire nation when half of it's occupants disagree, keep your ideology to yourself or amongst your likeminded lemmings, the nation has just rejected it... except for urban coastal liberals of course.

There are more of us then there are of you. If it does at some point come down to a numbers game, we win. Just keep that in mind.

False! Government regulation, taxation, and social giveaways (entitlements) are the root cause of our economic problems.

No. It just ain't so. It's been tried repeatedly, and it generally crashes the economy.

I beg to differ, and productivity without working is just nonsense

Productivity is a measure of the efficiency of labor, i.e. how much economic wealth comes of working. And one of the major structural problems of the economy right now is that a lot less labor is required to produce the economic goods and services that people require. Automation makes the things that we need cheaper, which is good, but it also reduces the number of jobs available for people to work.

...just look at the other failing socialist democracies that practice it say Greece, Italy, Spain all of which are a complete drain on the productive nations in the EU.

Nations like the UK, Germany, and France, all of which have Universal health care?

Our nation has been the most prosperous nation on the globe because we don't practice socialism. The free market, capitalism, & liberty are the reasons why America is the most proserpous nation.

Whereas, I think that many of the best things about this country have little to do with the free market, or are actually threatened by it.

No, I did not say that so save the savor, what I did say is that comparing [...] Obama to Adolf Hitler or the Nazi regime is knee jerk hyperbole & just demonstrably false.

Mmm.....savory...

That is part of the equation, the other part is what you deny. Democrats have lost their historic base of the working class because they just like republican establishment types cannot sell their globalist, crony capitalist message to the masses any longer. If you cannot serve average working class/middle class citizens where they are advancing in life economically than the message is doomed for failure, the jig is up, and if Trump does not deliver the division will only intensify. The working class people could not give a rip about social or environmental politics if it does not fill their wallets... that in a nutshell is why the democrats have lost the working man, and election after election they lose ground.

I think they have lost their ability to talk to the white middle class. Which allows dangerous race-baiting demagogue to prevail. They'll work on it.

Bernie never had a chance in the primary Rex, the entire thing was rigged against him before he gave the first speech, I cannot believe that you can even posit that nonsense. The other reasons Bernie did so well is people reject the liberal elites that are running the same globalist crony capitalist game that the republican establishment does...two sides of the same coin, and the fact that Hillary Clinton was damaged goods from the get go, she is a pathological liar, a currently unindicted felon that has numerous scandals that surround her...facts are facts, inconvenient though they may be.

The rigging is about 95% Trumpian exaggeration attempting to divide the opposition. Trumpers like to talk about that, but they never point out that all the emails that were leaked on that subject were from after Clinton already locked up the nomination, when the party was supposed to do everything it could to elect her. Sure, the party officials preferred Clinton, but they still ran a fairly fair contest. I still think Sanders had a better chance in the general election, but the bottom line is that he lost the primary. That gave Clinton the right to run.

Face it, Hillary Clinton is an elitist that had been drug so far left by Bernie in the primaries that she could never make it back to the center. I say that the democrats should continue to the left of left because it only pushes average Americans to the right.

Clinton lost because she's bad at the part of politics that is essentially acting. Trump is no less an elitist, and no more a man of the people. President is the first job he ever applied to. Clinton actually comes from a real working-class background, never had money growing up. But Trump comes across as somehow blue-collar.

It is hard because the policies of the left don't promote growth, that is why it doesn't sell, and if liberals such as yourself continue ignore that fact, moving away from sanity, pushing fringe social and environmental nonsense, than expect to keep losing elections because once the working man gets more money back in his paycheck the left will be hard pressed to win over working middle class voters going forward. Liberals did not just lose an election they are losing the culture war.

And yet, the Obama years have been a nearly unprecedented period of growth, that compares favorably to any recent president. At least in terms of broad economic metrics, it's an unprecedented success. Which leads me to believe that the Whitelash is real. White Americans were successfully made to feel dispossessed and threatened.

 

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After a year of promises to have special prosecutors investigate Hillary Clinton, and to, eventually, have her jailed for mishandling classified information...after a year of "lock her up!" chants, and "Hillary for Prison" signs at his rallies...after making the indictment of Clinton a major theme of his campaign, Trump admitted on Friday that his talk about actually investigating was just a lie to get elected.

President-elect Donald Trump on Friday said that now that he’s won the election, he does not care to prosecute Hillary Clinton.

Trump was speaking in Grand Rapids, Mich., as part of his “thank you” tour when he heard some chants of “lock her up” — a common refrain during his campaign events.

“That plays great before the election — now we don't care, right?” Trump responded, according to CNN.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/309793-trump-on-lock-her-up-calls-now-we-dont-care

This shouldn't some as a shock. This was evident on the night of the election, when during his victory speech, "Crooked Hillary" became "Secretary Clinton," and Trump said that America should thank her for her service. Odd that Trump would want us to thank someone that he accused of treason.

In his first interview after the election, when asked if he would be seeking advice from the Clintons, Trump responded, "I mean, this is a very talented family. Certainly, I would certainly think about that." He would certainly think about consulting Crooked Hillary, the treasonous liar, and her husband "one of the great abusers of women?"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...raise-on-hillary-and-bill-clinton-in-first-t/

Trump supporters were conned. Duped. Bamboozled. Of course this is tough to admit. No one wants to have been made a fool of. Instead of doing the noble thing, and admitting that Trump is just a lying politician like the rest, his supporters will apologize for his lies, rationalize them, and even insist that he still plans to have Clinton arrested. But it isn't going to happen. You were conned, as you are every four years.

Are you a Christian? Christians leave justice to God (they turn the other cheek).

Or are you an Old Testament-er who dispense his/her own judgment/punishment by 'stoning to death'.

Clearly the election were duly contested and the results fairly determined. Why are you still pelting stones.

There are two choices. To which one do you subscribe? Are you a Jew simply pretending to be Christian?

This is just a simple inquiry.

A leader can be a Christian. He can also be a political leader of a country which has a functioning judicial system. And indeed such a leader must not be interested in persecuting or prosecuting any one. Only the judicial system can have that interest.

An independent or special prosecutor can be applied only transparently and not unilaterally. This might be a provision/option of last resort, available to a U.S.A. president. This is not to be invoked first.

A new president simply removes any past possible or perceived political interference in due process of law and so give due freedom to the judicial system and so enable due process to operate properly.

Clearly President Obama and Clinton were supporters of the same agenda. They would tend to be partners in both good deeds and crime.

The first best thing that President Elect Trump can do, for the U.S.A. citizenry, is to en-noble and free-up the justice system so as to have it function independently. Judges are supposed to be Saints/Christians. Not of the Catholic/Peter variety but authentic ones (the chosen few) who are under the commission exemplified by Paul.

Christians/Saints can discern and live in, both the physical 'seen' realm and the 'not seen' spirit realm. They are among the chosen few.

The regeneration of the judiciary is a great advantage of empowering different political parties, to government, regularly. This is what the U.S.A. citizenry have done, prize it.

Your rhetoric seem to suggest that President Elect Trump/Truth become a dictator and so transform the U.S.A. to a banana republic (according to O.T. styling)

Have you heard of the doctrine of 'separation of power'. This enables political leaders to be Christians/New Testament people and so stand aloof of the Mosaic/Old Testament system . . . while allowing their country to have a judiciary which operate partially in Old Testament/Mosaic/ten commandment mode. This is a (soon to be ended) concession to 'the dead'/Mosaic oriented people:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death

According to the above, the law (i.e. the thou shall not covet commandment etc.) is no good thing. The ten commandments are only for 'the dead' (those in the flesh). The law are the schoolmaster to the dead until they become spiritually aware and onto Christ. Then these ten commandments are dropped and banished.

Actually a Christian is never interested in "locking anyone up!". A Christian leaves 'the dead to do that to their own'. However, it seems that all people (including Christians) are entitle to appeal to the sentiments of others.

All people. it seems, are entitled to reach others at their level of awareness/unawareness and expectations . . . and offer appeasement according to their expectation, under due process of the laws of their land. This seems to be the mode of operation of President Elect Trump.

For now, both N.T. people and O.T. people must co-exist on earth. This is destine to end soon, when only authentic N.T. people inherit the surface of earth, in God's kingdom of heaven, without any O.T. people.

Christians/N.T. people 'turn the other cheek'. Non christian/O.T. people seek 'an eye for an eye'. Fact is, Jesus expect Christians to dupe none Christians. The use of parables were nothing short of duping unruly 'self-righteous, arrogant, spiritually dead people:

Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Parables are widely esteemed, used. invoked and promote by a billion strong traditional/main stream Christians. Fact is, parables were given, by Jesus, to people who were not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. Parables do not, in any way, contain the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. In fact, parable were not given to lift-up anyone. Parables were given to 'whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath'.

It is time to learn or remain totally lost to truth.

The world, including the U.S.A. is undergoing serious transformation. The New Testament Age is at hand. The Old Testament is now totally irrelevant on earth.

This is why President Elect Truth indicated: he does not care to prosecute Hillary Clinton. Of course a liberated judicial system is obliged and free to care to prosecute Clinton under due process of law.

. . . this is the Christian way during overlapping N.T. and O.T. times on earth.

Jump, catch and run away with, the Christian Frisbee that is now thrown your way. This is your only hope.