Deal. Lets go.
Trump 2018 - Big Plans
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Deal. Lets go.
If Trump can't live up to his promise of having Mexico pay for the wall then the American taxpayer shouldn't have to pay for it either. It is a worthless investment. Want to do something that will actually benefit people? Set up a guest worker program.
If we don't secure the border then we'll have another 800,000 kids who grew up here 20 years from now.
Why don't we make it a four lane highway with rest stops and fast food?
If you have to build a road to build a wall then are you building a wall or are you really building a road that has a wall as a feature?
Two points:
1. Holding the DACA kids hostage to get what he wants is despicable; he's already admitted that it's unjust to send them away after growing up in America.
2. At least as of last year, the number of illegal immigrants was actually dropping, partially because Obama was deporting more people than any previous president. So you concern is misplaced unless Trump reverses Obama's policy.
Actually, there's a third issue. Asia is now the fastest-growing source of illegal immigrants. Which means that the wall is a Maginot Line that will fight the last immigrant war, leaving us vulnerable to the next one.
"By conttrast, DACA-eligible workers were concentrated in white-collar occupations that are carried on indoors, in formal business settings, with regular hours and better pay."
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/.../DACA-Occupational-2017-FINAL.pdf
And you think another 800,000 people in good jobs, building the American economy, is a bad idea?
The slaves are here to help out the good people. :thumb:
I thought they all worked in the fields. Fighting for their meals. :idunno:
The sad thing is, so does Trump.
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Many, many you say? Kindly name a few.
They write a check.
From seized Mexican drug money.
From the money we save by not paying to feed, house, process, medically care for and deport illegals.
How much seized Mexican drug money do you think there is? C'mon.
You're not going to like the reality:
What is the value of undocumented immigrant labor? According to a study issued by the National Bureau of Economic Research, loss of that segment of the labor force would cost the U.S. economy $5 trillion over a decade. Illegal immigrants provide $500 billion in output a year, according to study co-author Francesc Ortega.
Do they pay taxes? According to a study by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, undocumented immigrants paid $11.64 billion a year in state and local taxes either through house payments or rent (property taxes), income tax through employer deductions from their paychecks or through the purchase of goods or services (sales taxes). If those same immigrants were given legal status, the amount of state and local taxes collected could increase by $2.1 billion a year, according to the study.
How will removal of the immigrant labor force affect the economy? The U.S. Gross Domestic Product could decrease by 2.6 percent or $434 billion a year if all undocumented workers were removed from the economy, according to a report by City University of New York researchers. Some states and industries would be more affected than others. Illinois, California, Florida, Texas, New York and New Jersey would feel the greatest impact under such a scenario.
http://www.mcall.com/business/getsm...rants-cost-the-us-economy-20170222-story.html
If we could remove all of them, we'd essentially repeat the Bush recession.
Fake News.
Liberal barbie thinks our economy would collapse without ILLEGAL immigrants. Amazing.
Syria may have used a chemical attack or gas to bomb people today. Nikki Haley is talking at the UN now. We know what Trump did last time.
Sharp losses for US shares on Friday, when the benchmark Dow Jones lost 2.5%, its biggest drop since June 2016.
Trump is Losing, Patrick.
Denizens of Washington DC have been having a field day speculating about what sorts of action Donald Trump may take on the first day of his presidency. One possible Obama-era executive order some of his supporters have urged him to repeal is the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, which allows children of illegal immigrants brought to this country by their parents to receive temporary protection from deportation, work permits, and a path to citizenship if they have not committed any crimes.
There are approximately 700,000 people taking advantage of this program, which represents about five to seven percent of all illegal aliens currently living in the United States. While a repeal would certainly send a strong message to President Trump’s supporters that he intends to make good on his promises to deal with illegal immigrants, doing such a thing would be incredibly costly to the economy while accomplishing little.
In a study published by the Cato Institute, Logan Albright and I analyze the impact that a repeal would have on the labor market. We estimated its fiscal and economic consequences by building upon work done by Thomas Church, a scholar at the Hoover Institute, that investigated the economic impact of expanding the H1-B visa program to include an additional 660,000 new immigrants over the next decade. He estimated that this would boost the nation’s economy by $450 billion over the ensuing decade while boosting government revenue by $110 billion.
DACA beneficiaries resemble H1-B recipients to a surprising degree, although they are younger and--as a result--less educated than H1-B recipients. We adjusted Church’s result by the difference in population size and relative wages and came up with an economic impact from repealing DACA of roughly $200 billion in the next decade, which is just over one percent of 2016 GDP. The loss of tax revenue would be approximately $60 billion. If we assume that the DACA beneficiaries do not leave the country upon its repeal but remain here and seek work illegally instead, the cost to the economy of repeal is smaller but still in the vicinity of $100 billion.
But the problems with a simple repeal of DACA go beyond the economic cost. The issue that many people had with President Obama was their perception that his was an imperial presidency, eschewing legislation in favor of issuing executive orders, not all of which appeared to be legal in their eyes.
For Donald Trump to begin his administration by issuing an executive order of his own that imposes a significant cost of the economy while doing little to fix the underlying problems that he identifies with illegal immigration would not only be self-defeating, but it would send a signal that the executive overreach of the Obama Administration has become the status quo.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ikebra...-of-an-immediate-repeal-of-daca/#45d2ff8845a6
Patrick thinks Forbes and the Cato Institute are liberals. :chuckle: