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Top 10 Reasons the Universe is Electric (Electric Universe Theory)

gcthomas

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This is a layman's discussion forum where people who mostly qualify basically as hacks come to discuss stuff with other hacks based primarily on information they glean from Wikipedia.com and Sky and Telescope magazine.

Who else is discussing this with you? No-one, that is. And if I stop contributing here the thread dies, which is why you have kept coming back to my posts. There aren't any others, are there?

There is real science happening within the EU community at places like The Safire Project and elsewhere but in the context of this thread, that's entirely irrelevant.

No, there isn't. With no attempt to make quantitative predictions that could be compared against observations, they are essentially making emotional arguments. Whatever it is, it isn't science.

These videos are the EU's own self-proclaimed best arguments.

Oh dear. They have failed then, haven't they, if that's all they've got? No point continuing here. You can never persuade cranks or fundamentalists, and no-one else is reading the thread either.

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Clete

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gcthomas,

I want you to watch these two videos. It's really just one video broken into two parts (less than 20 minutes total time). They have to do specifically with the SAFIRE project and are presented by Dr. Michael Clarage who is doing real experimental science having to do with plasma physics as it relates to planetary and stellar phenomena. I'm curious to see if you find them less objectionable than the others that have been presented.

Charge Separation in Space - Part 1

Charge Separation in Space - Part 2
 

Clete

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Who else is discussing this with you? No-one, that is. And if I stop contributing here the thread dies, which is why you have kept coming back to my posts. There aren't any others, are there?
Threads die when people stop posting. People who start thread tend to want to keep them from dying because they are actually interested in the topic they've brought up but that isn't why I keep "coming back to your posts". The only reason I picked you back up this time is because I was sort shocked when I realized that you had cited the exact paper that I had just finished reading less than a half hour earlier.

No, there isn't. With no attempt to make quantitative predictions that could be compared against observations, they are essentially making emotional arguments. Whatever it is, it isn't science.
You're wrong.

I suspect you knew that this comment was false when you said it. Why do you say things that are so easily detected as false if not outright lies? What exactly is the point of doing that? Calvinists do this all the time when they've been argued into a corner but you've not even been engaging the debate enough to have that excuse. Are you so threatened by even the idea that real science is happening along these lines that you have to disparage even the bare notion of it?

Oh dear. They have failed then, haven't they, if that's all they've got? No point continuing here. You can never persuade cranks or fundamentalists, and no-one else is reading the thread either.

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Saying is doesn't make it so.
It seems that you resort to instant name calling and ridicule because you aren't capable of sustaining anything substantive. That would explain quite a lot, actually. One wonders why you bothered to ask me, "So what part of EU would you like to talk about?" Did you think I wouldn't have an answer? Did you think that would somehow stump me into stunned silence? I really don't get it.

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Clete

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Well, better late than never!

Here's video #6....

Top 10 Reasons the Universe is Electric #6: Charged Planets (Inner Solar System)


Transcript...

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00:07
Welcome to Space News from the Electric Universe,
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brought to you by The Thunderbolts Project™
00:12
at Thunderbolts.info
00:16
In the first five installments of this series,
00:19
we outlined some of the most compelling evidence
00:21
that the role of electromagnetism throughout the cosmos is vastly more significant
00:26
than modern space science has ever entertained.
00:29
So far, we have explored this question through an examination of the highest-
00:33
energy electromagnetic phenomena at the vastest scales throughout the cosmos.
00:38
We now move our attention to our own celestial neighborhood
00:42
and the dynamic interactions between the Sun
00:45
and all of the bodies which move within its electrical domain.
00:48
Today we'll explore why planetary electrical discharges
00:52
are the 6th of 10 reasons why the Universe is electric.
00:57
Charged Planets in the Inner Solar System
01:00
At no time in history have human beings been more dependent
01:04
on electricity for everyday functioning and survival.
01:08
On Earth, electricity's significance both for society
01:11
and in nature, seems self-evident.
01:14
Yet in the Space Sciences many strange and outdated notions
01:18
about Earth's atmospheric and weather phenomena endure,
01:21
despite an ever growing wealth of scientific data.
01:24
It was in the early 20th century that the Norwegian experimentalist Kristian Birkeland
01:29
correctly hypothesized that electric currents from the Sun power the Earth's auroras.
01:34
For many decades, the scientific mainstream largely rejected the thesis
01:39
favoring instead the idea that Earth's magnetosphere is an impenetrable envelope
01:44
"squeezed" by the solar wind to induce auroral activity.
01:48
Only when satellites detected the magnetic signatures
01:52
of electric currents in the aurora in 1973,
01:55
was Birkeland's hypothesis irrefutably validated
01:58
though even today many scientists still resist the implications of the discovery.
02:03
In testing his ideas about the Earth-Sun connection,
02:07
Birkeland built a vacuum chamber and placed a magnetized metal ball
02:11
called a terrella inside it, representing the Earth.
02:14
He observed how the terrella behaved in its artificial electrically charged atmosphere.
02:19
In addition to solving the riddle of Earth's auroras,
02:22
Birkeland's electrical experiments also uncannily simulated planetary rings
02:27
and the energetic displays of cometary jets.
02:31
More than a century after Birkeland's polar expedition to investigate the Northern Lights,
02:36
mainstream scientists still express surprise or even astonishment
02:40
when they observe the tell-tale signs of electrical circuitry
02:43
connecting the Earth and the Sun.
02:45
Of course, the Earth is the most well-studied celestial object
02:49
and much has been learned about its electrical environment.
02:52
The Space Age has brought a much greater understanding of
02:55
the Earth's upper atmosphere and ionosphere
02:58
as well as the inner and outer radiation belts.
03:01
With greater technological data, the challenges for
03:04
planetary scientists to explain discovery have only increased.
03:08
Lightning is the most powerful electrical phenomenon on our world.
03:12
In near the end of the 20th century and continuing today,
03:16
terrestrial lightning has held new surprises for atmospheric scientists.
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As far back as the 1960's, some airline pilots reported their observations
03:26
of powerful electrical discharges that appeared to originate above thunder clouds,
03:31
reaching towards space.
03:33
It wasn't until the early 1990's that scientists
03:36
were able to verify the phenomenon definitely exists
03:39
including blue jets, seen exploding from thunder clouds,
03:43
and enormous red sprites, even higher in the upper atmosphere.
03:47
Scientists today acknowledge that the phenomenon remains mysterious
03:51
but amazingly, above-clouds-lightning was in fact predicted nearly a century ago.
03:57
In the 1920's, the Scottish physicist C.T.R. Wilson
04:01
predicted the existence of brief flashes of light above large thunderstorms.
04:06
On the cause of the phenomena, an important clue was uncovered in 2001.
04:11
A physicist named Professor Edgar Bering
04:13
flew a high-altitude balloon above a thunderstorm.
04:17
He made the unexpected discovery that when lightning strikes occur
04:20
above and below the clouds, the electrical charge was already present
04:25
and did not take time to build up between lightning strikes.
04:28
This contradicts the standard notion
04:31
that lightning is a generator of the clear-air electric field
04:34
measured at about 100 V/m between the Earth and the clear sky.
04:39
Bering wrote on his findings that sprites and jets
04:43
"...may be an essential element of the Earth's global electrical circuit."
04:47
However, physicist Wal Thornhill notes of the standard scientific literature on our planet's
04:53
'Global Electrical Circuit',
04:55
"As big as the term 'global' sounds, the circuit is too restricted.
05:00
It is a circuit that assumes heat-driven convection in clouds
05:03
is the global electricity generator.
05:06
This generator mysteriously separates electric charge in storm clouds
05:10
to power world-wide currents.
05:12
However, the circuit is 'unplugged'.
05:15
It is isolated from electrical connection with anything else in the universe.
05:19
Such a lack of a holistic or cosmic-scale vision
05:23
is a fundamental constraint on theorists."
05:25
In the Electric Universe, the ultimate circuitry driving atmospheric and weather phenomena
05:30
is the electric current system connecting planets and the Sun.
05:34
In recent years, it has become increasingly evident that the Sun
05:37
affects our own planet's atmosphere and weather
05:40
in ways that standard theorists had never imagined.
05:43
In 2014, we reported on the discovery that charged particles from the Sun
05:49
appear linked to increased lightning on Earth.
05:51
According to an article on the Institute of Physics website, a team of scientists,
05:56
"...found a substantial and significant increase in lightning rates across Europe
06:01
for up to 40 days after the arrival of high-speed solar winds."
06:05
And indeed, the ramifications of the confirmation
06:08
of Kristian Birkeland's thesis on the Earth's auroras
06:11
become more and more evident with each new discovery.
06:14
Earlier this year, the ESA Swarm mission reported the groundbreaking discovery of
06:19
"supersonic plasma jets" high up in Earth's atmosphere
06:23
which can push temperatures up to 10,000ºC.
06:26
A phys.org report on the discovery stated,
06:29
"The theory that there are huge electric currents, powered by solar wind
06:33
and guided through the ionosphere by Earth's magnetic field,
06:37
was postulated more than a century ago by Norwegian scientist Kristian Birkeland...
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While much is known about these current systems, recent observations
06:45
have revealed that they are associated with large electrical fields."
06:49
The existence of Birkeland currents in space is now confirmed by scientific discovery.
06:55
But of course, many differences remain between the standard
06:58
interpretation and predictions and those of the Electric Universe.
07:02
The notion that celestial objects cannot have an excess of charge
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is a guiding principle of astronomy.
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Yet as Thunderbolts' colleague, Dr. Michael Clarage, explained in his 2014 presentation
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'Earth's Electric Environment',
07:15
"Overall charge neutrality is not really the point.
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A battery that you hold in your hand has no overall charge on it.
07:23
But the point is that we've separated the charge in it so it can do work."
07:27
And as we will see as we continue, charge exchange between celestial bodies
07:32
seen most dramatically between the Sun and the planets in its domain,
07:36
is the most promising explanation for many spectacular atmospheric phenomena
07:40
that remain unexplained in standard astronomy.
07:44
As we turn our attention to our planetary neighbors,
07:47
we see the need for a new understanding of all forms of lightning on our own world.
07:52
When the, then Soviet Union's, Venera probes
07:54
touched down on the planet Venus more than half a century ago,
07:58
they recorded surprising evidence of lightning
08:00
that was much more frequent and powerful than earthly lightning.
08:04
Yet Venus has no water clouds which means that
08:07
the electrical discharges traversed directly from the ionosphere to the ground.
08:11
In a scientific paper on the Venera discoveries,
08:14
planetary scientist professor Donald Hunten wrote:
08:17
"The indications are that lightning is likely to occur
08:20
in any substantial planetary atmosphere.
08:23
Theories of electrification are faced with the need to explain its presence
08:28
under a wide variety of circumstances and atmospheric conditions."
08:32
The so-called "strange magnetic ropes" detected in Venus's atmosphere
08:37
are evidence of its electrical connection to the Sun
08:39
which is more direct than the Earth's.
08:42
The mysterious ropes' twisted filamentary structure
08:45
reveals the electric currents required to sustain the detected magnetism.
08:50
Incoming electrical currents open the doorway to explain
08:53
many mysterious atmospheric and weather phenomena on Venus.
08:57
In 2006, the ESA's Venus Express satellite recorded the astonishing images
09:03
of a twin cyclone above Venus's south pole.
09:06
For reasons that still elude planetary scientists,
09:10
the cyclone structure constantly evolves
09:13
and it appears to be a permanent fixture at the South Pole.
09:16
However, we see not the first instance when science discovery
09:19
has confirmed a seemingly preposterous prediction of the Electric Universe theory.
09:24
In 2005, when scientists using the Keck Observatory
09:27
discovered a warm vortex at the South Pole of Saturn,
09:31
Thornhill made a prediction that could only seem preposterous
09:34
from a conventional viewpoint.
09:36
He wrote:
09:37
"The Electric Universe predicts, experimentum crucis,
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that BOTH poles should be hot, not one hot and the other cold."
09:45
In 2008, NASA's Cassini scientists were astonished to discover
09:50
a mysterious hot spot at Saturn's north pole.
09:53
This was astonishing because the freezing pole
09:56
had been deprived of sunlight for over 12 years.
09:59
On Venus, twin tornadoes have been observed at both poles.
10:04
This is important, because the Electric Universe states that the Sun's electrical input
10:09
generally occurs at the poles of planets
10:12
which we usually see in the form of auroras.
10:15
As we see, the constantly shifting structure of the south polar vortex
10:19
seems strikingly reminiscent of the spiral galaxies' forms
10:23
reproduced by plasma scientist Dr. Anthony Peratt's simulations
10:27
of two current filaments interacting in a plasma.
10:30
In the Electric Universe, the incoming electrical currents
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are also the driver of Venus's mysterious superfast winds
10:39
which are difficult for conventional meteorology to explain.
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Cloud movement show a four-day rotation period of the upper atmosphere at the equator
10:48
which declines to two days toward the poles.
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Within the framework of standard theory,
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no force is present to drive the upper winds around the planet at such a speed
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since Venus itself has a rotational period of 243 days retrograde
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and the planet's lower winds are exceptionally sluggish.
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Since the planet is the same temperature overall,
11:10
there is no temperature gradient to drive these winds either.
11:14
In recent years, it was reported that the superfast winds of Venus
11:18
have actually been steadily accelerating for a decade.
11:22
This is explained through analogy to the simplest electrical motor
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called a Faraday disk motor.
11:28
The Faraday disk motor requires only a magnetic field and a disk conductor
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or something symmetrical.
11:34
When a current is directed inward to the poles of the object and out at the equator,
11:39
it will cause the object to rotate.
11:41
We note that while the Venusian winds were found to be accelerating,
11:45
scientists found that the planet's rotation was mysteriously slowing down.
11:50
In the Electric Universe theory as developed by Wal Thornhill,
11:54
the deposition or extraction of charge from an object will change its mass,
11:59
and therefore its rotation rate
12:01
which has been observed on Earth in small changes of the Earth's rotation
12:05
called glitches,
12:06
when we receive a large blast of charged particles from the Sun.
12:10
On Venus, both the accelerating winds and the planet's slowing rotation
12:15
could be due to a variation in the incoming electrical current flow.
12:20
As we turn our attention to Mars, mysterious wind and atmospheric phenomena
12:24
again point to the planet's dynamic interactions with its electrical space environment.
12:30
Mars has an atmosphere only around 0.5% as dense as Earth's
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so it has been a puzzle for decades why powerful dust storms
12:38
sometimes encompass the entire planet.
12:41
How is the dust removed from the soil and accelerated into massive clouds,
12:46
sometimes up to hundreds of miles per hour in the near vacuum of the Martian atmosphere?
12:51
Adding to the mystery, when the most dramatic dust-storm ever seen on the planet occurred,
12:56
it involved packed congregations of dust devils,
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a completely unexpected feature in standard meteorology.
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In conventional theory, an atmospheric vortex
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requires a vastly larger circulation of wind
13:10
than what is clearly seen in edge-on pictures of storm fronts on Mars.
13:14
Electrically speaking, what produces a global Martian dust storm
13:19
and other tremendous dust-raising events on the Red Planet?
13:22
To begin to get an idea, let us consider the dust devils
13:26
seen in association with the global storms.
13:28
The so-called dust devils on Mars are so enormous and energetic,
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they routinely dwarf Earthly tornadoes.
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A NASA press release describes a typical Martian dust devil as a,
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"...monster column towering kilometers high and hundreds of meters wide,
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10 times larger than any tornado on Earth."
13:48
The reason meteorologists call them "dust devils" instead of tornadoes,
13:52
is because they are not associated with water-laden storm clouds
13:56
which don't exist on Mars.
13:58
The powerful electric fields associated with dust devils, both on Mars and on Earth,
14:03
are now acknowledged in scientific literature.
14:06
But meteorologists can only look to solar heating,
14:09
air convection and dust particle friction as their cause.
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The electrical nature of the tornadic dust fountains on Mars
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may be better understood through an examination of their cousins,
14:21
water spouts.
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A great breakthrough in understanding water spouts
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came from the work of Russian plasma physicist V.A. Rantsev-Kartinov.
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From his investigation, he concluded that these phenomena
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are the result of a long-lasting discharge current
14:35
between the plasma networks of a water surface
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and the electrical charge of the clouds above.
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Both the rotation and the narrow coherent and undulating funnels of water spouts
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are thus explained in terms of plasma discharge behavior.
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All of this relates to the unfounded assumption of planetary scientists
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that mechanical processes must separate charge wherever they see electrical activity.
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The Electric Universe's counter viewpoint on Martian wind and weather
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is summarized in a 2005 Thunderbolts Picture Of the Day article.
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It states:
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"Since Mars has no thunderstorms to 'charge-up its ionosphere',
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it should present a good case study of the Electric Universe.
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The electrical model predicts that the Martian ionosphere is indeed charged,
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and it posits no isolated dynamo to 'separate charge'.
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On Mars, electrical effects will reach directly from the ionosphere to the surface
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without the ameliorating leakage via storm clouds that we see on Earth.
15:35
Unlike radiant energy from the Sun,
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electrical energy can accumulate in the 'planetary capacitor' for some time,
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with a potential for planet-altering events when the atmosphere finally 'breaks down'
15:48
and massive discharge activity is initiated."
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The Thunderbolts article also offered the following prediction:
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"The intensity and number of dust devils will be affected
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by solar outbursts and the planet's elliptical orbit."
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In fact, in recent years the electrical interpretation
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of dramatic Martian dust-raising events has been stunningly confirmed.
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In 2012, amateur astronomers first spotted seemingly inexplicable plumes
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rising hundreds of kilometers above the surface of Mars.
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In 2016, scientists using the Mars Express spacecraft
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discovered something completely unexpected to planetary scientists.
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A coronal mass-ejection hit Mars immediately before the plume was first spotted.
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The leader of a team of scientists said of the discovery,
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"It's very surprising that was affecting Mars
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right before the plume was first observed."
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And of course, the electrical nature of the event seems undeniable.
16:45
The 2016 New Scientist report states:
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"One possibility is that plasma could be interacting with ice grains or dust
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lower down in the atmosphere and electrically charging them, boosting them higher,
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but it's not clear how the effect would be big."
17:01
An analogue to the Martian dust raising events
17:04
might be the electrostatic dust storms that are now known to occur on the Moon
17:08
when it encounters the Earth's magnetotail once a month.
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We also note that when the largest global dust storm on Mars began in 2001,
17:17
Mars had reached opposition
17:19
and was the closest that had been to Earth in about 12 years.
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As noted at the beginning of this video,
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planetary scientists are only now recognizing
17:27
the pervasive electric current systems on our own planet
17:31
which were postulated more than a century ago by Kristian Birkeland.
17:35
Of course on Mars, far less is known
17:38
but NASA's MAVEN mission has provided important new data and insights.
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One of many surprising findings was characterized as follows in a 2015 NASA press release:
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"NASA's... (MAVEN) spacecraft has observed
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two unexpected phenomena in the Martian atmosphere:
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an unexplained high-altitude dust cloud and aurora
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that reaches deep into the Martian atmosphere...
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The presence of the dust at orbital altitudes
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from about 93 miles to 190 miles above the surface was not predicted."
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As mission scientist Laila Anderson stated,
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"If the dust originates from the atmosphere,
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this suggests we are missing some fundamental process in the Martian atmosphere."
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Also surprising to MAVEN scientists was the discovery
18:22
of a highly energetic glowing aurora
18:25
that reaches shockingly deep into the Martian atmosphere.
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As one team member stated,
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"What's especially surprising about the aurora we saw
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is how deep in the atmosphere it occurs
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-- much deeper than at Earth or elsewhere on Mars.
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The electrons producing it must be energetic."
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As the NASA press release explains,
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"MAVEN's Solar Energetic Particle instrument
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detected a huge surge in energetic electrons at the onset of the aurora."
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Today, within the Electric Universe community,
18:55
experimental research such as that which Birkeland pioneered, continues.
19:00
Through simple experiments with electric fields, we see the routine replication
19:05
of many atmospheric, weather and geological phenomena.
19:09
These experimental analogs place the endless surprising space discoveries
19:14
in an entirely new light
19:16
and emphasize the desperate need for a new perspective in planetary science.
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One which recognizes charge exchange between celestial bodies.
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In our next installment of this series, we will turn our attention
19:29
to the gas giants in the outer solar system
19:32
whose dynamic electrical environments
19:35
offer further testimony that the Universe is electric.
19:40
For continuous updates on Space News from the Electric Universe,
19:44
stay tuned to
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In video six we're presented with some of their strongest arguments pertaining to the idea that the planets are electrically connected (to the Sun primarily). The strongest part of the argument is that they mention quite a few predictions that the electric universe theory has made and then discuss how what has been found fits with those predictions but, as I've mentioned earlier in the thread, the idea that the Sun is actually a purely electrical phenomenon is one major aspect of the EU that I just cannot buy into at all and as a result much of their electric solar system model is pretty hard to swallow as well.

I would say, however, that the information presented in the video does lend a lot of credence to the notion that electricity plays a bigger role in planetary phenomena than is generally thought. There is a correlation between the Solar wind and electrical activity and Earth quakes here on Earth and there seems to be a similar correlation with dust storms and giant "dust devils" on Mars. And, while I acknowledge that the persistent vortexes at Venus' south pole are intriguing and all but impossible to explain conventionally, it seems a bit of a stretch to me to suggest that its an electrical/plasma related process. I'll accept it as a possibility but it doesn't seem likely. It comes off as one example of how the people in the EU community see electricity behind every cosmic bush.

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One video every 6 weeks or so. I had no idea it would take this long for them to publish these videos.

Here's video #7....

Top 10 Reasons the Universe is Electric #7: Charged Planets (Outer Solar System)


Transcript...

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00:06
welcome to space news from the electric
00:08
universe brought to you by the
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thunderbolts project at Thunder bolts
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dot info on this series we have
00:18
presented evidence for a dramatically
00:20
new way of viewing all celestial bodies
00:22
in an electric universe no where can one
00:26
find a quote island in space across vast
00:29
cosmic distances electric currents flow
00:32
through the conductive medium of plasma
00:34
electromagnetically pinching gas and
00:37
dust to form stars and planets in our
00:40
last episode we focused on the
00:42
electrical circuitry in our own
00:43
celestial neighborhood in the inner
00:45
solar system connecting the Sun to all
00:47
the planets including the earth today we
00:51
shift our focus to the outer solar
00:52
system further tremendous electrified
00:55
environments of the gas giants Saturn
00:57
and Jupiter are the seventh of ten
00:59
reasons why the universe is electric
01:02
charged planets in the outer solar
01:05
system the NASA missions Juno and
01:08
Cassini to Jupiter and Saturn
01:10
respectively have provided data that
01:12
could shake planetary science to its
01:14
core the discoveries dramatically
01:17
highlight the failures of standard
01:18
theory versus the successful predictions
01:21
of the electric universe we begin an
01:24
exploration of the Juno discoveries
01:26
which in the words of NASA investigators
01:28
have proved that scientists fundamental
01:30
ideas about the Jovian atmosphere were
01:33
quote totally wrong one of the greatest
01:36
surprises the team first reported was
01:38
that Jupiter's magnetic field which was
01:40
already thought to be tremendously
01:41
powerful is twice as strong as
01:44
previously believed the turbulent Jovian
01:47
atmosphere has also proved quote
01:49
mind-boggling with rapidly changing
01:51
cyclones at the planets poles proving
01:54
far more dramatic and quote weird than
01:56
investigators had imagined as Juno
01:59
principal investigator Scott Bolton
02:00
stated had someone showed me a picture
02:03
of the pole just ten years ago I never
02:05
would have guessed it was Jupiter
02:07
scientists estimates of the planet's
02:09
internal structure have proved equally
02:11
troubling Scott Boldin's
02:13
in a January 10 2018 article on
02:16
space.com
02:17
our ideas were totally wrong about the
02:20
interior structure about the atmosphere
02:23
and even about the magnetosphere the
02:25
article continues astronomers believe
02:28
that Jupiter had either a very small and
02:30
dense core or perhaps no core at all but
02:34
data from Juno revealed that Jupiter has
02:36
an enormous quote fuzzy core that might
02:38
be partially dissolved this discrepancy
02:41
between scientists expectations and the
02:43
data suggests that there's a lot we
02:45
still don't know about giant gas planets
02:48
Bolton explained a critical clue to the
02:51
missing theoretical foundations for
02:53
investigators is found in the following
02:55
statement from the space.com report
02:58
strangely Aurora's on Jupiter's seem to
03:00
be powered by a mysterious physical
03:02
force that astronomers haven't been able
03:05
to identify according to the
03:07
mathematical calculations
03:09
Jupiter's ax wars should be about 10 to
03:11
30 times more energetic than Earth's but
03:14
Jupiter's Cina roars that are hundreds
03:16
of times stronger for no apparent reason
03:18
scientists had long proposed that a kind
03:21
of localized charge separation produced
03:23
Jupiter's x-ray Aurora's in the planets
03:26
interaction with so-called volcanic
03:28
plumes from its moons that perspective
03:31
was summarized as follows by NASA
03:33
investigator Randy Gladstone the
03:36
volcanic moon Io spews oxygen and sulfur
03:39
ions into Jupiter's spinning magnetic
03:41
field somehow these ions make their way
03:44
to Jupiter's poles where electric fields
03:47
send them hurtling toward the planet
03:49
below upon entering the atmosphere there
03:52
are electrons our first stripped away by
03:54
molecules they run into but as they slow
03:56
down they start grabbing electrons back
03:59
the quote charged exchange reaction
04:01
produces intense x-ray Aurora's and here
04:05
we see perhaps the fundamental source of
04:07
countless surprises for space scientists
04:09
at all scales throughout the cosmos the
04:12
belief that no celestial object can have
04:15
a net electrical charge but this
04:18
antiquated perspective is now refuted as
04:21
reported in an October 2017 science blog
04:25
by author Emily under
04:26
would entitled can large electric fields
04:29
power Jupiter's x-ray Aurora's the data
04:32
revealed particle signatures of parallel
04:34
electrical fields over the poles of
04:36
Jupiter that forced electrons near the
04:38
poles upward away from the planet while
04:41
protons and other ions move downward
04:43
into the atmosphere
04:45
this massive electric potential upward
04:48
of a million electron volts provides a
04:50
possible explanation of where the x-ray
04:53
Aurora's get their energy according to
04:55
the authors it's always been the
04:57
electric universe position that the
04:59
tremendously powerful Jovian Aurora's
05:02
the weird in turbulent polar storms and
05:04
the planets tremendously powerful
05:07
magnetic field are all ultimately
05:09
induced by electrical berkland currents
05:12
from the Sun focused at the planets
05:14
poles as noted many times on this series
05:17
in recent years retired professor of
05:19
electrical engineering dr. Donald Scott
05:22
has developed a mathematical modeling of
05:24
the structure of a berkland current
05:26
identified visually as counter rotating
05:29
cylinders clearly seen in the earthly
05:31
Aurora's and dramatically at the poles
05:34
of both Saturn and is seen on your
05:36
screen in the at least 15 counter
05:39
rotating cylinders at the North Pole of
05:41
Jupiter a law of physics consistently
05:44
stated on this series is that electric
05:46
currents and only electric currents
05:49
produce magnetic fields neither the
05:51
Earth's nor any planets magnetic field
05:54
is produced through an internal dynamo
05:56
and all of the Juno data clearly
05:58
supports this claim mission scientists
06:01
acknowledged that all of the models
06:02
which imagined a dynamo deep within the
06:05
planet have been refuted as reported by
06:08
New Scientist comm a shock is that
06:10
Jupiter's huge magnetic field is even
06:13
stronger and much more irregular than
06:15
expected the irregularity of the field
06:18
so far is a sign that the Dynamo driving
06:21
it may originate higher up in Jupiter's
06:23
interior perhaps from a layer of
06:25
metallic hydrogen Scott Bolton stated I
06:28
didn't expect all the theories to be
06:30
wrong but there's motion going on in the
06:33
planet we did not anticipate but the
06:35
quote wrongness of all the standard
06:38
theoretical
06:38
fiction's has not forced investigators
06:41
to consider what electric universe
06:42
proponents have always argued that the
06:45
source of Jupiter's magnetic field does
06:47
not come from inside the planet at all
06:49
but rather it is induced by berkland
06:52
currents whose signature is clearly seen
06:54
at the planets poles it has also been
06:57
the prediction of the electric universe
06:58
that are far more immense electrical
07:00
circuitry exists in the Jovian system
07:02
connecting the gas giant to its moons
07:05
then standard astronomy has ever
07:07
envisioned it's critical to note that
07:09
according to recent scientific research
07:11
by the Cassini mission at Saturn the
07:13
spacecraft's magnetometer had only been
07:16
able to detect about 5% of the electric
07:19
currents in the so-called plumes of the
07:21
Saturnian moon Enceladus according to
07:24
data from Cassini's Langmuir probe the
07:26
electric currents may in fact exceed 10
07:28
million amps likewise the electric
07:31
current system at Jupiter is the real
07:33
cause of the dramatic electrical
07:35
discharges seen on the Jovian moon Io
07:38
which astronomers have long erroneously
07:40
identified as quote volcanic plumes but
07:44
the notion that the so-called plumes are
07:46
produced by cryovolcanism has been
07:48
repeatedly refuted by discovery one of
07:51
the most surprising features of the
07:52
so-called plumes was their filamentary
07:54
structure the official Wikipedia page on
07:57
the vast tar Patera region on Io states
08:00
that the more than 300 kilometer high
08:02
quote plume displays quote an as yet
08:05
unexplained filamentary structure but as
08:08
we've outlined many times this statement
08:11
is factually incorrect as early as 1979
08:15
the renowned astrophysicist Thomas gold
08:17
proposed that the so-called volcanism on
08:19
Io is actually high-energy electrical
08:22
discharge activity nine years later
08:25
plasma physicist dr. Anthony Pratt and
08:28
co-author Alex Destler wrote in their
08:30
scientific paper that the best analog
08:32
for IO so-called plumes is the plasma
08:35
gun a mechanism that produces the
08:37
distinct filamentary structure that is
08:39
never present in volcanic plumes in 1996
08:44
prior to the arrival of the Galileo
08:46
probe in IO physicist wal Thornhill made
08:49
a series of predictions including the
08:52
so-called plumes would be found to move
08:53
across the surface of the Moon the quote
08:56
vents of the plumes would be vastly
08:58
hotter than the expected temperatures of
09:00
lava and the plumes are in fact the Jets
09:03
of moving cathode arcs eroding the
09:06
periphery of the dark areas that
09:08
planetary geologists had been calling
09:10
lava lakes
09:11
according to Thornhill these so-called
09:13
lava lakes are the solid dark surface of
09:16
Io beneath the quote snow that has been
09:18
deposited by continuous discharge
09:20
activity therefore the quote lava lakes
09:24
would not reveal the heat of a recent
09:26
lava flow all of these predictions
09:28
received stunning confirmation iOS quote
09:32
volcanic hot spots were not only hotter
09:34
than any lava on earth they were too hot
09:37
to be measured by Galileo's instruments
09:40
also as predicted by Thornhill the
09:42
discharging was focused on the edges of
09:45
the so-called lava lakes
09:46
though the rest of these dark fields are
09:48
comparatively cold in fact the expected
09:51
volcanic vents were not found inspiring
09:55
further astonishment the quote volcanic
09:57
plumes emit ultraviolet light which is
10:00
unthinkable
10:01
under normal conditions of volcanic
10:03
venting but which of course is
10:05
characteristic of an electric arc
10:07
nevertheless space scientists today
10:10
still insist that IO is the most
10:12
volcanically active body in the solar
10:14
system the cryovolcanism or ice
10:17
volcanoes that scientists envision is
10:19
produced by Jupiter quote
10:21
gravitationally needing the moon to
10:23
induce tidal heating producing volcanic
10:26
eruptions however in 2013 scientific
10:29
reports revealed that iOS so-called
10:32
volcanoes are in the quote
10:33
wrong locations according to the
10:36
predictions of every existing tidal
10:38
heating model as noted in a 2013
10:41
Huffington Post report iOS major
10:44
volcanic activity is concentrated 30 to
10:47
60 degrees farther east than models of
10:49
its internal heat profile predict
10:52
suggesting that the exotic volcanic
10:54
Jupiter moon is even more mysterious
10:56
than researchers had previously thought
10:58
as noted by the lead author of a
11:01
paper Christopher Hamilton the findings
11:04
quote can't be reconciled with any
11:07
existing solid-body tidal heating model
11:10
as mentioned the Saturnian moon
11:13
enceladus displays filamentary jets
11:15
similar to the electrical discharges
11:17
seen on Io
11:18
planetary scientists interpret these
11:21
explosive features at enceladus's South
11:23
Pole as quote ice geysers and plumes
11:26
produced by cryovolcanism but it's
11:29
critical to remember that before the
11:31
Cassini team discovered the features
11:33
more than a decade ago scientists had
11:35
expected the moon to be geologically
11:36
dead and the last place they expected
11:39
such activity was the moon's South Pole
11:41
as reported by space.com the finding
11:45
flipped everything scientists knew about
11:47
Enceladus on its head because what
11:50
should have been a dead moon appeared to
11:51
be geologically active and what was
11:54
supposed to be the moon's coldest region
11:56
turned out to be its warmest as in the
11:58
electrical circuitry of the Jovian
12:00
system where the electrical footprints
12:03
of the moons have been seen in Jupiter's
12:05
aurora the electric currents connecting
12:07
Saturn and Enceladus are now recognized
12:09
by planetary scientists and like the
12:12
tidal heating models for IO new
12:15
discoveries have only proved
12:16
increasingly problematic for the theory
12:19
of so-called cryovolcanism on Enceladus
12:21
in 2016
12:24
scientists were amazed to discover that
12:26
when Jets of dust and water vapor
12:28
explode into space when Enceladus is at
12:31
its farthest from Saturn the amount of
12:33
gas accompanying the outbursts is
12:35
anomalously low as summarized by
12:38
space.com
12:39
the researchers expected quite a lot
12:41
more gas expelled at the far part of
12:44
Enceladus is orbit to help explain the
12:46
outpouring of dust but they found that
12:48
gas output had bumped up by just 20% far
12:52
less than expected the team had focused
12:55
on a specific collimated jet that was
12:57
part of a large water plume the leader
12:59
of the studies said of the findings we
13:02
had thought the amount of water vapor in
13:04
the overall plume across the whole south
13:06
polar area was being strongly affected
13:09
by tidal forces from Saturn
13:11
instead we find that the small-scale
13:13
Jets are what's changing hypothetical
13:16
cryovolcanoes resulted from tidal forces
13:19
are not necessary to explain the
13:21
stupendous filamentary structures on
13:23
Enceladus and IO more than a sufficient
13:26
basis exists to finally consider the
13:28
electrical interpretation as we focus
13:31
our attention on the gas giant Saturn
13:33
and the stunning data from NASA's
13:35
Cassini mission we again see numerous
13:38
opportunities to test the predictions of
13:40
the electric universe versus those of
13:42
standard theory in fact for over a
13:44
decade data from the Cassini spacecraft
13:47
has confirmed many of these predictions
13:49
all of which were completely unexpected
13:51
in standard reasoning in 2005 wal
13:55
Thornhill published his analysis of
13:57
scientists discovery of a quote warm
14:00
polar vortex at Saturn's South Pole he
14:03
also offered an explicit prediction the
14:06
electric universe also predicts
14:08
experiment and Cruces that both poles
14:11
should be hot not one hot and the other
14:14
cold in 2008 the Cassini spacecraft
14:17
confirmed the astonishing prediction
14:20
astonishing because the freezing cold
14:22
north pole had been deprived of sunlight
14:24
for more than 12 years the author of a
14:27
paper on the discovery stated we didn't
14:30
expect it to have a hot spot at the
14:32
North from the electrical perspective it
14:34
is not coincidental that the hot spot is
14:37
located quote smack dab in the center of
14:40
the north polar vortex like the planet
14:43
Venus --is polar vortexes Saturn's north
14:46
polar hotspot and the vortex structure
14:48
in which it is located is created by a
14:51
flow of electric current along magnetic
14:53
field lines to the pole
14:55
in fact the sun's electromagnetic
14:56
relationship with Saturn is also a
14:59
stunning recent revelation in 2016
15:03
scientists reported their first ever
15:05
observation of so-called magnetic ropes
15:07
traversing the vast distance between the
15:10
Sun and the gas giant the lead author of
15:13
a paper in the Geophysical Research
15:14
Letters says of the finding contrary to
15:17
previous ideas about Saturn's
15:19
magnetosphere being unlike its
15:21
terrestrial counterpart these findings
15:24
reveal that Saturn
15:25
time's behaves and interacts with the
15:27
Sun in much the same way as Earth but
15:30
how can the fluid dynamics that NASA
15:32
envisions explained quote rope-like
15:34
structures that twist and change
15:36
dynamically and extend the nearly 900
15:39
million miles from the Sun to Saturn the
15:42
so called magnetic ropes are in fact
15:44
twisted filament ori pathways traversed
15:46
by electrically charged particles again
15:49
the signature of berkland currents
15:52
counter-rotating cylinders are clearly
15:54
seen here at the North Pole of Saturn
15:56
like the Juno data from Jupiter the
15:59
Cassini mission must force a dramatic
16:01
reconsideration of the real cause of
16:04
Saturn's magnetic field again the
16:06
findings do not fit with the predictions
16:09
based on the belief that the magnetic
16:10
field is generated by an internal dynamo
16:13
deep within the planet a major surprise
16:16
is that Saturn's magnetic field appears
16:18
to have no discernable tilt as reported
16:22
by Imperial College London based on data
16:24
collected by Cassini's magnetometer
16:27
instrument Saturn's magnetic field
16:29
appears to be surprisingly well aligned
16:31
with the planets rotation axis
16:33
previously mission scientists thought
16:35
that 0.06 degrees would be the lower
16:38
limit of tilt that could generate the
16:40
observed magnetic field however the
16:43
results show that the tilt may be much
16:44
less than this scientists currently
16:47
think that planetary magnetic fields
16:49
require some degree of tilt in order to
16:52
sustain currents flowing through the
16:54
liquid metal deep inside the planets
16:56
with no tilt the currents would
16:58
eventually subside and the field would
17:00
disappear
17:01
professor michelle dougherty stated the
17:04
tilt seems to be much smaller than we
17:06
had previously estimated and quite
17:08
challenging to explain
17:09
additionally the Cassini mission
17:11
provides the opportunity to test the
17:13
electrical model of the Saturnian rings
17:16
whose earliest origins traced to the
17:18
experimental work of norwegian explorer
17:20
and scientist Kristian Birkeland well
17:23
over a century ago
17:24
Brooklyn's famous magnetized torella
17:27
simulated the earthly Aurora's
17:29
revolutionary research that standard
17:32
astronomy largely dismissed until
17:34
berkland was finally validated more than
17:36
half a century after his death the
17:39
torella experiments also produced
17:41
intriguing rings which led berkland to
17:44
systematically simulate the rings of
17:46
Saturn he found that the Rings could be
17:48
easily reproduced simply by changing the
17:51
polarity of the electrical discharge and
17:54
now a Langmuir probe onboard the Cassini
17:57
spacecraft has made yet another
17:59
unexpected discovery for mission
18:01
scientists a strong electrical chemical
18:04
coupling between Saturn's atmosphere and
18:06
its rings as described on space
18:09
daily.com on December 12 2017 the upper
18:13
atmosphere of Saturn is charged and
18:15
consists primarily of hydrogen and
18:18
hydrogen ions strong variations in
18:21
density indicate that the electrically
18:22
charged part of Saturn's atmosphere the
18:25
so called ionosphere has a strong
18:27
coupling to the visible rings that
18:29
consist primarily of ice particles the
18:32
ice particles are also electrically
18:34
charged the principle investigator of
18:36
the leg Mir probe data stated the first
18:39
results are surprising it is as though
18:42
the small ice particles in the D ring
18:44
suck up electrons from the ionosphere as
18:47
a result of the coupling electrical
18:49
flows of gas to and from the rings along
18:52
the magnetic field of Saturn caused the
18:54
greatest variations in density like
18:57
Jupiter the tremendously electrified
18:59
Saturnian environment is undeniable many
19:03
planetary scientists had long proposed
19:05
that Saturn's rings are billions of
19:07
years old perhaps even forming with
19:09
Saturn itself in the conjectured infancy
19:12
of the solar system but in August of
19:14
this year
19:15
the Cassini team attempted to estimate
19:17
the mass of the Rings in order to guess
19:19
the rings age the idea is that a great
19:22
mass would be required for the Rings to
19:24
withstand erosion from collisions over
19:27
time however as noted in a BBC report it
19:30
is looking like the opposite may
19:32
actually be true that their mass is less
19:35
than previously estimated if confirmed
19:38
it points to the Rings being the
19:40
remnants of some object that has broken
19:42
apart around Saturn in the recent past
19:45
Cassini project scientists Linda spill
19:47
curse stated if the rings are less
19:49
massive they won't have had the mass to
19:51
survive the micrometeoroid bombardment
19:54
that we estimate to have happened since
19:56
the formation of the planet so we're
19:58
heading in the direction of the Rings
20:00
being perhaps 100 million years old or
20:02
so which is quite young compared to the
20:05
age of the solar system but the chief
20:07
principles of the Thunderbolts project
20:09
have offered a radically different
20:10
recent history of Saturn and all of the
20:13
solar system history that includes an
20:16
understanding of the electrical nature
20:18
of stars and the electrical expulsion
20:20
and capture of planets and moons in this
20:23
thesis it is not possible to calculate
20:25
the density of celestial bodies by
20:28
estimating their mass using newton's law
20:30
of gravity in the electrical model of
20:33
stars one cannot classify stars and gas
20:36
giant planets based under calculated
20:39
mass stars are an electrical discharge
20:41
phenomenon and their electrical
20:43
environment determines their mass
20:45
appearance and classification our chief
20:48
principles have proposed the provocative
20:50
hypothesis that in the relatively recent
20:52
past Saturn was an independent brown
20:55
dwarf star with its own family of
20:58
clothes orbiting small planets and with
21:00
its ephemeral rings being recently
21:02
ejected within the last tens of
21:04
thousands of years this thesis was
21:07
summarized by wal Thornhill as follows
21:09
as a small star approaching the Sun
21:12
Saturn flickered like a faulty electric
21:14
light when the two stellar magneto
21:16
spheres or plasma sheaths touched
21:18
Saturn's electrical power was usurped by
21:21
the Sun and its appearance changed
21:23
dramatically such rapid variability in
21:26
the appearance of stars is well
21:28
documented before dimming forever Saturn
21:31
would have flared up to relieve the
21:33
stresses caused by the sudden change in
21:35
electrical environment
21:36
Saturn's present low internal electrical
21:39
stress as indicated by its low apparent
21:42
mass suggests ejection activity but even
21:46
so the core of the electric star has not
21:48
completely cooled
21:49
Saturn still radiates more than twice
21:51
the heat it receives from the Sun and we
21:54
have a simple explanation for the origin
21:56
of Saturn
21:57
mysterious short-lived rings of course
22:00
neither recent solar system instability
22:02
nor the electrical capture of celestial
22:05
bodies are concepts that planetary
22:07
scientists have ever entertained but the
22:10
failures of the standard model of our
22:12
solar system's formation and history are
22:14
dramatically underscored with countless
22:16
discoveries of seemingly baffling
22:18
exoplanetary systems in fact in recent
22:21
years astronomers have more and more
22:23
routinely described our own solar system
22:26
as exceptionally strange recently this
22:29
problem has been affirmed by an
22:30
international team of scientists who
22:33
have discovered that exoplanets that
22:34
orbit the same parent stars are quote
22:37
like peas in a pod
22:38
the research published in the
22:40
astronomical journal focused on close to
22:42
1,000 planets in over 350 multi-planet
22:46
systems a fist on org report summarizes
22:49
the findings as follows the team found
22:52
too surprising patterns they found that
22:54
exoplanets tend to be the same sizes as
22:57
their neighbors if one planet is small
22:59
the next planet around that same star is
23:02
very likely to be small as well and if
23:04
one planet is big the next is likely to
23:07
be big they also found that planets
23:09
orbiting the same star tend to have a
23:11
regular orbital spacing the lead author
23:14
of the research stated the planets in
23:16
the system tend to be the same size and
23:18
regularly spaced like peas in a pod
23:20
these patterns would not occur if the
23:23
planet sizes or spacings were drawn at
23:25
random of course this is in stark
23:27
contrast to our solar system where the
23:30
planets are in the words of physicist
23:32
wal Thornhill a quote fruit salad this
23:35
discrepancy has led astronomers to
23:37
increasingly entertain dramatic changes
23:39
to our solar system since its formation
23:41
the phys.org report states in our solar
23:45
system the inner planets have
23:46
surprisingly large spacing and diverse
23:49
sizes abundant evidence in the solar
23:51
system suggests that Jupiter and Saturn
23:54
disrupted our systems early structure
23:56
resulting in the four widely spaced
23:59
terrestrial planets we have today yet
24:02
institutional science remains unready to
24:04
entertain a dramatic disruption of our
24:07
solar system that occurred much more
24:09
recently perhaps even within human
24:11
memory but what basis remains for
24:14
continued faith in the four and a half
24:15
billion year old story of our solar
24:18
system's formation and evolution a story
24:20
that has led to endless surprises and
24:23
intractable problems for planetary
24:25
scientists it is past time for
24:27
scientists to wipe the proverbial
24:29
drawing board clean to allow discovery
24:32
to illuminate an increasingly
24:33
self-evident fact that our world our
24:37
solar system and our universe is
24:39
electric
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you
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Clete

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Videos 6 & 7 are related and could be considered parts 1 & 2 of a longer video. As such, much of what I said about video 6 applies to video 7 as well. I would say though that the portion of the video showing how Birkeland created rings, reminiscent of Saturn's rings, in his electrical experiments was fascinating.
 

patrick jane

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And video #2: Filaments in Space


These are the only two so far released. I'll post more as they come out.

Transcript:

00:07
Welcome to Space News from the Electric Universe,
00:10
brought to you by The Thunderbolts Project™
00:12
at Thunderbolts.info
00:16
What fills the vast space in the unimaginable distances
00:20
separating celestial objects in the cosmos?
00:24
Space is indeed a big place but it's not a perfect void or vacuum.
00:29
Today this fact is acknowledged even by the NASA space agency
00:33
which states in an official report from 2014,
00:37
"Space may appear empty -- a soundless vacuum, but it's not an absolute void.
00:43
It flows with electric activity that is not visible to our eyes."
00:48
The movement of electrically charged particles requires a medium
00:52
and that medium in space is plasma
00:54
or the so called 4th state of matter.
00:57
Plasma is commonly referred to as a gas
01:00
whose constituent atoms have been split into electrons and ions
01:04
which move independently of each other.
01:06
Well over 99% of the visible universe is composed of plasma
01:11
including the Earth's ionosphere,
01:13
the Sun and All Stars
01:15
and nearly all of the interplanetary, interstellar and intergalactic medium.
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Electric currents flowing through plasma
01:23
can be recognized through their distinct filamentary shape
01:27
as seen in the familiar novelty plasma ball.
01:30
With extraordinary advances in space telescopes
01:33
we see today, in unprecedented detail, filamentary structures
01:37
that pervade the visible universe at all scales.
01:40
The appearances of these distinct structures have proved puzzling to astronomers
01:45
far more often than not
01:46
as they defy the expected form and behaviors of hot gas in a vacuum.
01:51
In part two of this 10 part presentation
01:55
we explore why filamentation throughout the cosmos is just one of 10 reasons
02:00
why the universe is electric.
02:02
Filaments in Space
02:04
Let us begin by considering the examples of filaments that we see locally
02:08
associated with celestial bodies in our own solar system.
02:12
The most dramatic displays can surely be seen on our Sun.
02:16
Of course we see huge plasma filaments,
02:19
sometimes a million kilometers or longer,
02:21
that occasionally erupt or explode off of the Sun's surface.
02:25
But one of countless unresolved problems in solar physics
02:29
is the observation of giant snake-like filaments
02:32
reaching from the surface of the Sun to the dark cores of sunspots.
02:37
For decades, scientists following the standard solar model
02:41
have viewed the Sun spot penumbra filaments as "convection cells"
02:45
or columns of hot gases transporting heat from the Sun's interior to its surface.
02:51
But as physicist Wal Thornhill has observed,
02:54
the filaments bear no resemblance to any known form of convection in a hot gas.
02:59
Indeed, in our first ever Space News episode,
03:02
we reported on the discovery of anomalously weak solar convection
03:07
by scientists measuring the Sun's internal plasma motions.
03:10
The Electric Universe theory proposes that the Sun
03:14
is not powered by an internal thermonuclear reaction
03:17
but rather it receives its electrical energy from interstellar space
03:22
in which case the absence of convection is to be expected.
03:25
The complex magnetic fields associated with the penumbra filaments
03:29
are acknowledged by solar physicists.
03:32
As seen in the text of the Astronomy Picture of the Day image seen on your screen,
03:37
"Here magnetic field lines can be clearly followed outward from the sunspot to distant regions."
03:43
A clear defiance of the expected behaviors of so-called convection cells.
03:48
In a 2002 article on his website;
03:51
Thornhill wrote on the mysterious nature of sunspots,
03:54
"It is crucially important to understand a sunspot
03:57
because it is the only place on the Sun that gives a glimpse below the bright photosphere.
04:02
And what do we see?
04:04
It is cooler down there by thousands of degrees!
04:08
That is not expected at all if the Sun is trying to rid itself of heat.
04:13
The sunspot center should be much hotter and brighter than its surroundings."
04:18
In the Electric Universe, the penumbral filaments are electrical discharges in plasma
04:23
in the characteristic form of long thin rope-like structures.
04:28
If the filaments are "convecting gas"
04:32
then one would expect the filament centers to be the hottest and brightest points.
04:36
But instead, solar physicists were amazed to observe
04:40
that the penumbral filaments have dark cores.
04:43
In the Electric Universe, the Sun and all stars are positively charged anodes
04:48
and the Sun's electrical circuitry
04:50
reaches across vast distances throughout the solar system.
04:54
The electromagnetic connection of the Sun to planets,
04:57
including the earth, is now undeniable.
05:00
In 2007, NASA scientists were amazed to discover dynamic so-called magnetic flux ropes
05:07
that constantly "form and unravel in Earth's magnetosphere"
05:11
and, in 2017, scientists with NASA's Cassini mission
05:15
were astonished to discover that these same "magnetic ropes"
05:19
connect the Sun and the planet Saturn
05:21
over the incredible distance of nearly 900 million miles.
05:25
These so-called magnetic ropes are in fact electrical Birkeland currents
05:30
which are now known to power Earth's auroras.
05:33
It's now more clear than ever that planets within the Sun's electrical domain
05:37
are electrically charged bodies.
05:39
On our own Earth, this fact is best demonstrated by the relatively recent discovery
05:44
of powerful lightning that sometimes occurs above thunderstorms,
05:48
reaching towards space.
05:50
For decades, airline pilots have reported their observations of the stupendous lightning
05:55
though it wasn't until the early 1990s that institutional science
05:59
finally recognized the phenomenon exists.
06:02
More recently, scientists working with the ESA Swarm mission
06:06
reported their discovery of "supersonic plasma jets" high up in our atmosphere.
06:11
A Phys.org report on the discovery stated,
06:14
"The theory that there are huge electric currents,
06:17
powered by solar wind and guided through the ionosphere by Earth's magnetic field,
06:22
was postulated more than a century ago by Norwegian scientist Kristian Birkeland.
06:26
While much is known about these current systems,
06:29
recent observations... have revealed that they are associated with large electrical fields."
06:35
The spectacular filamentary discharges we see in our upper atmosphere
06:39
may have analogs in other bodies in our solar system
06:42
that scientists have yet to recognize.
06:45
The most extreme example may be seen on the Jovian moon Io
06:48
which astronomers have characterized since 1979
06:51
as the most volcanically active body in the solar system.
06:55
But as we've discussed many times on this series,
06:58
the theory that the spectacular, so-called, plumes are a form of cryovolcanism
07:03
has been falsified on numerous counts.
07:06
Just one of many problems for planetary scientists
07:09
is outlined on the official Wikipedia page on Tvashtar Paterae region of Io
07:13
which states that the over 300 kilometer high, so-called, volcanic plume displays
07:18
"an as yet unexplained filamentary structure".
07:23
However, this statement is factually incorrect.
07:26
The filamentary structure was explained decades ago
07:29
by plasma scientists who recognized that the "plumes"
07:33
are high-energy electrical discharges.
07:35
This theory was first proposed by the renowned astrophysicist Thomas Gold in 1979.
07:41
Then in 1988, plasma scientist Dr. Anthony Peratt and co-author Alex Dessler
07:47
explained, in a peer-reviewed paper, that the Io plumes
07:50
are comparable in form to a plasma gun.
07:53
Similar filamentary plasma discharges are seen on the Saturnian moon Enceladus,
07:58
though again, planetary scientists can only apply theories of cryovolcanism.
08:04
But for several years astronomers have recognized
08:07
the electric current systems connecting Saturn and Jupiter to their respective moons
08:12
though they still imagine volcanism producing the detected charged particles.
08:17
The Electric Universe is a connected universe
08:20
and the braided filamentary structures we see throughout our solar system;
08:24
jetting from planetary surfaces,
08:27
on the surface of the Sun
08:29
and in the plasma structures surrounding comets
08:32
as seen in this NASA infrared image of comet Holmes,
08:36
all attest to the electrical circuitry that governs our celestial neighborhood.
08:41
We turn our attention now outside of our solar system
08:44
to our galaxy's interstellar medium
08:46
and the extraordinary role that plasma filaments play in the formation of stars.
08:51
A key prediction of the Electric Universe theory was outlined in the 2005 monograph,
08:56
The Electric Universe, by Wal Thornhill and David Talbott. They wrote,
09:01
"Plasma physicists argue that stars are formed by an electromagnetic 'pinch' effect
09:05
on widely dispersed gas and dust.
09:08
The 'pinch' is created by the magnetic force between parallel current filaments
09:13
that are part of the huge electric currents flowing inside a galaxy."
09:17
In 2015, this prediction was affirmed by data from the Herschel Space Telescope
09:23
which imaged, in unprecedented detail, networks of filaments throughout the Milky Way.
09:28
A Phys.org report on the observations states:
09:31
"ESA's Herschel Space Observatory has been a true game changer...
09:36
One of the key aspects that emerged from these observations
09:39
is the presence of a filamentary network
09:41
nearly everywhere in our galaxy's interstellar medium.
09:45
The picture that is emerging is that these structures
09:48
are closely linked to the formation of stars."
09:51
The principal investigator of the survey stated,
09:54
"The greatest surprise was the ubiquity of the filaments in these nearby clouds
09:59
and their intimate connection with star formation.
10:02
But there is more: these observations revealed that filaments,
10:06
which may extend to several light-years in length,
10:08
appear to have a universal width of about one third of a light year.
10:12
This suggests that something fundamental is lurking underneath."
10:16
Of course, the fundamental thing, lurking underneath the stupendous filaments,
10:21
is electricity.
10:22
The universal width of the filaments that Herschel observed is not coincidental.
10:27
On Earth, lightning bolts of constant width are sometimes observed to stretch for miles.
10:33
Unfortunately, standard astronomy still holds
10:36
to the pre space-age notion of an electrically sterile universe
10:41
and thus the researchers attempt to explain the filamentary networks as follows,
10:46
"Turbulent motions of the interstellar gas and dust
10:49
create an intricate web of filamentary structures..."
10:52
However, from the Electric Universe viewpoint
10:55
it is paramount that the most prominent filaments
10:58
are seen drawing matter from a network of smaller filaments.
11:02
Smaller coronal filaments are also characteristic of electric discharges in plasma.
11:08
Other filamentary structures throughout the Milky Way
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attest to the spectacular electromagnetic energies
11:14
that, in fact, organize and drive all galaxies.
11:18
Near the center of our galaxy is a structure called the Galactic Center Radio Arc,
11:23
a long-standing source of mystery for astronomers.
11:26
The long parallel rays that shoot straight out from the galactic plane
11:30
are described in an Astronomy Picture of the Day as follows,
11:34
"The radio arc is connected to the Galactic center
11:37
by strange curving filaments known as the Arches.
11:40
The bright radio structure at the bottom right
11:43
likely surrounds a black hole at the Galactic center and is known as Sagittarius A*.
11:48
One origin hypothesis holds that the Radio Arc and the Arches have their geometry
11:54
because they contain hot plasma flowing along lines of constant magnetic field.
11:59
Recent images from the Chandra X-ray Observatory
12:02
appear to show this plasma colliding with a nearby cloud of cold gas."
12:06
But plasma cosmology recognizes the dynamic behaviors of electric currents
12:11
flowing through conductive plasma.
12:13
What standard astronomy describes as "long parallel rays",
12:18
plasma physicists recognized as spiralling pairs
12:21
of magnetic field aligned Birkeland currents.
12:24
The so called strange curving filaments are Birkeland currents
12:29
feeding electrical power into the galactic center.
12:32
In plasma cosmology it is not a black hole
12:35
but a plasmoid that is responsible for the tremendous concentration of energies
12:40
and therefore mass at the centers of galaxies.
12:43
As we look at an even greater scale
12:46
we see affirmation of the underlying concept of the Electric Universe that
12:50
"there are no islands in space".
12:53
Earlier this year, researchers publishing in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society
13:00
reported the first ever measurement of the "magnetic bridge"
13:03
linking the Milky Way's two nearest galaxies. Known as the Magellanic bridge,
13:09
the unimaginably vast filament stretches for approximately 75 thousand light years
13:15
connecting the large and small Magellanic Clouds.
13:18
One of the researchers says of the findings,
13:20
"Not only are entire galaxies magnetic,
13:23
but the faint delicate threads joining galaxies are magnetic, too.
13:28
Everywhere we look in the sky, we find magnetism."
13:31
The lead researcher of the study stated,
13:34
"In general, we don't know how such vast magnetic fields are generated,
13:38
nor how these large-scale magnetic fields affect galaxy formation and evolution.
13:43
Understanding the role that magnetic fields play in the evolution of galaxies and their environment
13:48
is a fundamental question in astronomy that remains to be answered."
13:53
But as we explained in the first episode of this series,
13:56
magnetism in space will always remain mysterious
14:00
unless and until astronomers recognize the electric currents required
14:04
to induce and sustain the magnetic fields.
14:07
In fact, at the galactic scale, some of the world's most distinguished plasma physicists
14:12
have provided experimental proof that resolves the "mysteries",
14:16
both of the motions of galaxies and their magnetic fields.
14:20
Plasma experiments show that rotation
14:22
is a natural function of interacting electric currents in plasma.
14:26
A good example is the ubiquitous spiral galaxy,
14:30
a predictable configuration of a cosmic scale discharge.
14:35
Computer models of two current filaments, interacting in a plasma,
14:39
have reproduced fine details of spiral galaxies
14:42
with no need for the influence of hypothetical dark matter.
14:46
Consider the comparison of the images on your screen:
14:49
On the top is a picture of the spiral galaxy M81
14:53
as imaged by NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope.
14:56
Beneath are snapshots from a computer simulation, by plasma scientist Dr. Anthony Peratt,
15:02
illustrating the evolution of galactic structures under the influence of electric currents.
15:07
Through the electromagnetic pinch effect,
15:10
parallel currents converge to produce spiraling structures.
15:14
Peratt was a protégé of the Nobel Prize winner, plasma physicist Hannes Alfven,
15:19
who stated of cosmic electrical activity,
15:22
"Space is filled with a network of currents
15:24
which transfer energy and momentum over large or very large distances.
15:29
The currents often pinch to filamentary or surface currents.
15:34
The latter are likely to give space,
15:36
as also interstellar and intergalactic space, a cellular structure."
15:40
Indeed in the 1920s, it was Irving Langmuir
15:44
who is credited with having coined the term plasma to describe an ionized gas
15:49
due to its seemingly lifelike properties reminiscent of blood plasma.
15:53
The filamentary structures we see throughout the cosmos;
15:57
in the spectacular threaded networks in nebulae,
16:01
to the high-energy collimated jets, light-years in length,
16:05
shooting from so-called Herbig-Haro objects,
16:08
to the stupendous cometary knots seen in planetary nebulae,
16:13
to the cosmic web where galaxies, like stars in our Milky Way,
16:18
line filaments of matter like pearls on a string;
16:21
all testify to the electromagnetic force exponentially more powerful than gravity,
16:27
organizing matter at every scale.
16:30
Stay tuned for Part 3
16:37
For continuous updates on Space News from the Electric Universe,
16:41
stay tuned to
16:42
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Interesting thread, I wonder if anybody reads it. Those are all CGI images you're seeing in those videos.
 

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Interesting thread, I wonder if anybody reads it. Those are all CGI images you're seeing in those videos.

No they aren't. Some of them are, of course, but I've taken similar photographs of the night sky with my own camera and telescope. Not nearly the quality or resolution but similar just the same.


What's annoying is that these dorks at the Thunderbolts website seem not to realize that seven videos isn't enough to make a top TEN list.


If you desire to have an alternative cosmology to the Big Bang Theory and Relativity and don't want to be a complete, slobber-mouthed moron, the Electric Universe Theory is a promising start. They go off the rails into lala-land on some things but it's advantages over the flat-Earth insanity are manifold, not the least of which is the fact that it doesn't require world-wide, multi-generational conspiracy theories that no one has any motive nor means to maintain as well as the fact that it has actual hard observational and experimental science (i.e. not mere mathematically derived theoretical modeling) to back a lot of it's core ideas up with.


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No they aren't. I've taken similar photographs of the night sky with my own camera and telescope. Not nearly the quality or resolution but similar just the same.

What's annoying is that these dorks at the Thunderbolts website seem not to realize that seven videos isn't enough to make a top TEN list.


If you desire to have an alternative cosmology to the Big Bang Theory and Relativity and don't want to be a complete, slobber-mouthed moron, the Electric Universe Theory is a promising start. They go off the rails into lala-land on some things but it's advantages over the flat-Earth insanity are manifold, not the least of which is the fact that it doesn't require world-wide, multi-generational conspiracy theories that no one has any motive nor means to maintain as well as the fact that it has actual hard observational and experimental science (i.e. not mere mathematically derived theoretical modeling) to back a lot of it's core ideas up with.

Clete
Electric and electromagnetism are a big part of FE cosmology. I had trouble understanding some of the videos I watched in this thread. But I've seen super slow motion lightning that shows filaments and the birth of lightnings. I wonder who named them lightning. I'll try to watch some more the ones here and I've seen a couple FE videos that address the electric cosmos but not at the level of Thunderbolt. I'll keep my eyes open.
 

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Electric and electromagnetism are a big part of FE cosmology. I had trouble understanding some of the videos I watched in this thread. But I've seen super slow motion lightning that shows filaments and the birth of lightnings. I wonder who named them lightning. I'll try to watch some more the ones here and I've seen a couple FE videos that address the electric cosmos but not at the level of Thunderbolt. I'll keep my eyes open.

If you're at all interested in exploring these ideas, you should check out the www.Suspicious0bservers.org website where they are developing a model that predicts Earthquakes based on Solar activity. The work they are doing just happens to prove that the Sun cannot possibly be a few thousand miles away, by the way - but that's beside the point.

Clete
 

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An incredible three months since the last video! Better late than never....

Top 10 Reasons the Universe is Electric #8: Electrical Planetary Scarring


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welcome to space news from the electric
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universe brought to you by the
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thunderbolts project at Thunderbolts dot
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info we have created this special top 10
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series to highlight the most compelling
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evidences for the dominance role of
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electromagnetism at all scales
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throughout the cosmos
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thanks to ever finer technological data
00:29
the existence of electric currents
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traveling through space is now
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undeniable and is more and more
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routinely acknowledged by astronomers
00:37
and astrophysicists yet the
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ramifications of this revelation have
00:42
been slow in affecting any meaningful
00:44
change in consensus scientific theory a
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major obstacle is a lingering belief
00:49
that science discovery has emphatically
00:52
contradicted that celestial objects
00:54
cannot have any net charge separation it
00:57
is then not a coincidence that objects
01:00
in space behaving like charged bodies
01:02
from the mysterious collimated jets of
01:05
comets to the spectacular sprites and
01:09
elves seen on our own planets upper
01:11
atmosphere to the catastrophic
01:14
electrical discharges focused on stars
01:16
producing supernova explosions 2x
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trickle acting Jets traveling at nearly
01:23
the speed of light over a million light
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years or more today we will explore by
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the high-energy electrical scarring of
01:31
bodies in our solar system is the eighth
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of ten reasons why the universe is
01:35
electric the electrical scarring of
01:39
planets and moons the myth of a solar
01:41
system that has remained unchanged since
01:43
its hypothetical formation
01:45
four-and-a-half billion years ago has
01:47
now crumbled as we've reported in many
01:50
episodes in recent years the standard
01:53
theory of planets and stars forming in a
01:55
nebula cloud from gravitational collapse
01:57
and accretion finds no support in the
02:00
thousands of exoplanetary systems
02:02
discovered to date as astronomer Greg
02:05
Laughlin told the journal Nature in 2014
02:08
using our solar system as a model has
02:10
quote led to no success in a
02:12
strap elating what's out there so
02:15
different as our solar systems seem to
02:17
be that astronomers now increasingly
02:19
entertained the notion of planetary
02:21
migration as noted in a recent fist org
02:24
report in our solar system the inner
02:27
planets have surprisingly large spacing
02:29
and diverse sizes abundant evidence in
02:32
the solar system suggests that Jupiter
02:34
and Saturn disrupted our systems early
02:37
structure resulting in the four widely
02:39
spaced terrestrial planets we have today
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some astronomers today now suggest that
02:44
these gas giants acted as so-called
02:47
wrecking balls migrating toward the
02:49
inner solar system destroying an early
02:51
generation of planets and robbing the
02:53
planet Mars of its lighter elements the
02:57
gas giants may have indeed acted as
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quote wrecking balls though not through
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mechanical collisions and tidal forces
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but rather through bodies of different
03:06
potentials discharging electrically as
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we will see the experimentally proven
03:11
ability of high-energy electrical
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discharges to produce craters and
03:15
countless other planetary features
03:17
offers an entirely new perspective on
03:20
planetary science and the solar system's
03:22
history the moon the most heavily
03:26
studied rocky body in the solar system
03:28
outside of the earth is of course the
03:31
moon when the first space probes
03:33
returned images of the moon they
03:35
revealed a surface heavily pockmarked
03:37
with craters and riddled with long
03:39
sinuous channels called rills
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scientists seeking to interpret these
03:44
features were constrained by the
03:45
traditional geologic toolkit the quote
03:48
debate over the lunar craters only
03:51
included two possible causative agents
03:53
volcanism or impact eventually a
03:57
consensus was reached that meteoritic
03:59
impacts were the primary source of the
04:01
lunar craters the moon and some other
04:04
bodies in the solar system are so
04:06
heavily cratered that astronomers
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invented a violent epoch called the late
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heavy bombardment a hypothetical period
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when disproportionate numbers of
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asteroids supposedly collided with
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planets in the inner solar system one
04:20
reason for the hypothesis is that
04:21
isotopic dating of moon rocks seems to
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imply that the soaked
04:25
impacts that caused rocks to melt appear
04:27
to have happened over a relatively short
04:29
period of time but like countless other
04:32
discoveries the simultaneous appearance
04:35
of many lunar craters is consistent with
04:37
the electric discharge hypothesis far
04:40
from popular consideration well before
04:43
the first man walked on the moon the
04:45
amateur astronomer Brian J Ford
04:47
published his laboratory experiments
04:49
suggesting that craters on the moon were
04:51
carved by cosmic lightning bolts in the
04:55
cited experiments Ford used a spark
04:57
machining apparatus to reproduce in
04:59
miniature some of the most puzzling
05:01
lunar features including craters with
05:04
central Peaks small craters
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preferentially perched on the high rims
05:08
of larger craters and craters strung out
05:11
in long chains Ford also observed that
05:15
the ratio of large to small craters on
05:17
the moon matched the ratio seen in
05:19
electrical arcing the craters we observe
05:22
on the moon emphasized the need for
05:24
radically new theoretical pathways in
05:26
planetary science one mystery that the
05:29
impact hypothesis will never explain is
05:31
the extreme circularity of the vast
05:33
majority of lunar craters experiments
05:36
with impacts have long shown that in
05:39
order to produce a highly circular
05:41
crater an object typically must strike
05:43
the surface from directly above the
05:46
aforementioned Brian Ford noted that
05:48
over 90% of circular craters on the moon
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could not have been produced by
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sideswiping impacts as on other rocky
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bodies we see countless cleanly cut
05:58
craters with no ejecta on the crater
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floors electrical engineer Ralf jürgens
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an early proponent of electrical
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planetary scarring wrote of this
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phenomenon explaining a crater floor of
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bare once molten rock in terms of the
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conventional impact theory is a little
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difficult one must resort to ad-hoc
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theorizing to the effect that's
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something perhaps the shock of the
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postulated impact explosion melted a
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considerable volume of rock at some
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depth and that following the explosion
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this material welled up to engulf the
06:31
crater floor and flow around obscure
06:34
Shenzhen countered their otherwise
06:36
debris from the explosion itself could
06:38
be expected to clutter the crater floor
06:41
impact Theory offers no reason however
06:43
to expect such a sequence of events had
06:46
nothing in terrestrial experience with
06:49
crater producing explosions supports the
06:51
idea though an electric discharge might
06:54
be thought of as taking place in a very
06:56
brief span of time an interplanetary
06:58
discharge must surely be an event of
07:01
greater duration than an impact
07:03
explosion the long distance flow of
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current would persist beyond the instant
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of any initial touchdown explosion and
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ejecta that chance to fall back into the
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crater thus produced could be swept away
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or melted in place Jurgens also
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published a groundbreaking analysis of
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the sinuous rills on the lunar surface a
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sinuous rill is a long winding valley
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usually with steep walls and often
07:28
emerging from a crater which could be
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found in the moon at many scales prior
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to the Apollo missions
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astronomers early hypotheses suggested
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that the rills were quote cracks on the
07:39
moon's surface later guesses included
07:42
flowing water until scientists settled
07:44
on flowing lava as the agent today the
07:47
accepted theory is that the moon's
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sinuous rills were created either by
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lava flowing across the surface or
07:53
beneath the ground to form a quote lava
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tube portions of which eventually
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collapsed
07:58
Jurgens compared the respective
08:00
point-by-point requirements of various
08:03
competing theories versus the actual
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observed characteristics of the rills
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unlike planetary scientists Jurgens
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included among the possible agents
08:13
high-energy electrical discharge on
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every evidentiary point the electrical
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discharge hypothesis is either
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permissible or predictable and unlike
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every competing hypothesis and not a
08:25
single instance does the evidence
08:27
preclude electrical discharge as the
08:29
cause of the rills even prior to jurgens
08:33
investigation several scientists had
08:35
noted that flowing liquids whether water
08:37
or lava could not have caused the
08:39
observed features of the lunar rill
08:41
including the strings of craters along
08:44
the rails floors these points are
08:46
dramatically emphasized when we examined
08:48
the moon's famous Hadley rill today
08:51
planetary scientists agree that the rill
08:53
is a quote collapsed lava tube
08:56
however the rill does not match the
08:58
required characteristics of lava tubes
09:01
on numerous points most importantly the
09:04
collapsed areas of a lava tube will be
09:06
rubble filled depressions
09:09
high-resolution images of the rill
09:10
revealed no rubble and no collapse tubes
09:14
it is simply an empty sharply cut
09:16
channel which matches the expected
09:19
characteristics of a quote electrical
09:21
breakdown channel perhaps the greatest
09:24
problem for the volcanic hypothesis of
09:26
lunar ills is their tremendous length on
09:29
our own planet the longest lava tube
09:32
reaches only 65 kilometers that is about
09:35
half the length of Hadley rail which is
09:37
a hundred thirty kilometers however the
09:40
exact opposite should be true on earth
09:42
the atmosphere is insulating allowing
09:45
lava to retain its heat in the quote
09:47
vacuum of space heat will be much more
09:50
rapidly radiated away on our own planet
09:53
as lava flows over distances no more
09:56
than tens of kilometers the cooling at
09:58
the surface causes a quote roof to form
10:01
it may then continue to flow as a tube
10:03
beneath the surface that is the only way
10:06
the lava tubes can achieve even their
10:08
modest lengths consider then the most
10:11
prominent lunar rill called Schroeder's
10:13
Valley 185 kilometers long and up to 10
10:18
kilometers wide with its depth at points
10:20
reaching up to 1,300 meters flowing lava
10:24
eating away surface material to cut a
10:26
deep channel would have to show up
10:28
somewhere we should see either breaches
10:31
in the deep walls or evidence of
10:33
abundant outflow instead the channel
10:36
simply dwindles until it disappears
10:39
curiously the flow of rills on the moon
10:42
and other worlds isn't limited to
10:44
downhill like lava and water carved
10:47
channels on earth all fluid erosion
10:49
theories for Schroeder's valley have
10:51
chosen to ignore that the
10:53
mouth of the quote stream is on high
10:55
ground and the narrowest part of the
10:58
channel is on low ground we also note
11:01
that within Schroeder's valley is a much
11:03
more narrow secondary rill whose
11:05
defining feature is a chain of small
11:08
craters as we turn our attention from
11:11
the moon to the planets in the inner
11:13
solar system we will see emphatically
11:15
demonstrated the failures of standard
11:17
geological theory to explain the most
11:19
dramatic features on planetary surfaces
11:22
venus many years before the first space
11:26
probe returned images of the surface of
11:28
the planet venus one of the 20th
11:30
century's great scientific heretics
11:32
Immanuel Velikovsky made several
11:34
outrageous claims about Venus Velikovsky
11:39
proposed that just a few thousand years
11:41
ago venus appeared in the earthly sky as
11:43
a terrifying comet in stark contrast
11:47
many astronomers including the
11:50
originator of the dirty snowball
11:52
hypothesis of comets Fred Whipple had
11:54
proposed that the surface of Venus might
11:56
be mostly or entirely covered with
11:58
oceans so the discovery Venus is super
12:01
hot temperatures an average surface
12:03
temperature of 863 degrees Fahrenheit
12:06
was one of the great surprises of the
12:09
early space age another surprise is the
12:12
amazingly quote young appearance of
12:14
Venus's surface venus shows an
12:16
astonishing lack of so-called impact
12:19
craters which most planetary scientists
12:21
today believe is due to a quote
12:23
resurfacing process that must have
12:25
removed the craters most likely a recent
12:28
volcanic overturning of the entire
12:30
Venusian crust the most striking
12:33
features on venus are the vast networks
12:36
of filamentary scars or what
12:38
experimentalists with electrical
12:40
discharge recognized as quote
12:42
Lichtenberg patterns
12:44
in the electric universe theory some
12:47
rocky planets are born in the same
12:49
glowing electric filaments as stars
12:51
which are seen strung like beads on the
12:54
necklace in molecular clouds others are
12:57
born by electrical fissioning of larger
12:59
bodies in the process of adjusting to a
13:01
suddenly changing electrical environment
13:04
if Venus was once an earth threatening
13:08
comet as ancient testimony from around
13:11
the world universally claims it must
13:14
have had an eccentric orbit that brought
13:16
it close to the earth electrical
13:18
discharging would have heated the crust
13:20
and created the filamentary scars
13:22
stretching across the planet's surface
13:24
of course it has long been shown
13:26
experimentally that lightning occurring
13:29
in a high-pressure gas causes this kind
13:31
of quote Lichtenberg pattern at low
13:34
atmospheric pressures cratering is more
13:36
common as seen on the moon and the
13:39
planet Mercury
13:41
intriguingly in 2013 science reports
13:45
describe the Venusian ionosphere x'
13:47
interactions with the solar wind as
13:49
being more typical of a comet than a
13:51
planet and like a comet Venus has a vast
13:54
tail that stretches up to millions of
13:57
kilometers sometimes touching the
13:59
Earth's magnetosphere the planets super
14:02
hot temperatures it's mysterious super
14:04
rotation and it's extraordinarily
14:06
powerful lightning are all expected in
14:09
the electric universe reconstruction of
14:11
Venus's recent cometary origins as we
14:15
continue we will see overwhelming
14:18
evidence for the cataclysmic events the
14:20
Thunderbolts of the Gods that ravaged
14:22
the planets in the inner solar system
14:25
Mars prior to the Space Age most
14:30
astronomers had expected Mars to be
14:32
along geologically dead and barren rock
14:35
in space but beginning with the arrival
14:37
of the first space probes the surface
14:40
features of the red planet have provided
14:42
endless surprises for planetary
14:44
scientists Mars today's a world with
14:47
spectacular weather events including
14:49
tremendous wind and dust storms that
14:51
sometimes engulf the entire planet but
14:54
nothing we observe today accounts
14:56
the remarkable and often bizarre Martian
14:59
geology including features that speak to
15:01
events more violent than anything that
15:04
has ever occurred on our own planet the
15:07
most dramatic features on Mars provide
15:09
all of the clues to these events the
15:12
stupendous Valles Marineris is a chasm
15:14
that stretches for 4000 kilometres long
15:17
and up to seven kilometers in depth for
15:20
comparison
15:21
even though Mars is only about half the
15:23
size of Earth Valles Marineris is the
15:25
length of about five Grand Canyon's it
15:29
was the aforementioned Ralf jürgens who
15:31
proposed in the 1970s that Valles
15:33
Marineris was a vast scar carved by an
15:36
interplanetary lightning bolt in fact as
15:40
we reported in a 2015 space news the
15:43
hypothesis of the electrical origin of
15:45
Valles Marineris has been tested
15:47
experimentally in a collaboration
15:50
between the late Michael Stein Bakker
15:52
and engineer Billy Overton the
15:54
experiment attempted to simulate the
15:56
conditions that might have been present
15:57
when the trench was formed with dust
15:59
being dropped from a reservoir above a
16:02
discharge table as seen on your screen
16:04
the feature that consistently appeared
16:07
greatly resembled Valles Marineris the
16:11
two also noticed a pattern that
16:13
physicist wal Thornhill had previously
16:16
noted in a 2003 article entitled spiral
16:19
galaxies and Grand Canyon's Valles
16:22
Marineris is s-shape reproduced in the
16:25
electrical discharge experiments
16:27
strongly resembles the form of a barred
16:29
spiral galaxy as Thornhill wrote in 2003
16:33
the connection lies in the fact that
16:35
galaxies are the largest visible
16:37
electric discharge phenomenon in the
16:39
universe of course as we've detailed
16:42
many times this notion has extraordinary
16:45
experimental support as demonstrated in
16:48
the images on your screen of the plasma
16:50
experiments by dr. anthony peratt and
16:53
Winston Bostick respectively in the
16:56
feature-length documentary film the
16:58
Lightning scarred planet Mars detailed
17:01
analysis was offered of countless
17:02
Martian features that find ideal analogs
17:05
intellect
17:06
Oh discharge when such example is the
17:09
towering olympus mons a nearly 22
17:12
kilometer high so-called
17:14
shield volcano and the tallest mountain
17:16
of any planet in the solar system as
17:18
noted in the film the shield volcano
17:21
interpretation of olympus mons presents
17:24
far more enigmas than answers the
17:27
defining feature of any shield volcano
17:29
is a gentle extrusion of fluid or low
17:32
viscosity lava shield volcanoes on earth
17:35
do not present a scarp whereas the scarp
17:38
of Olympus Mons towers at nearly 4 miles
17:41
high
17:42
a NASA report acknowledges this problem
17:45
as follows the scarp is of unknown
17:48
origin the steep cliff around Olympus
17:51
Mons is peculiar and not characteristic
17:53
of terrestrial shield volcanoes but
17:57
perhaps most significant of all is the
17:59
blanket of incredibly fine filamentary
18:02
ridges and ravines within the terrain of
18:04
olympus mons in fact the continued
18:07
discovery of perplexing dendritic
18:09
patterns on Mars is a key prediction of
18:12
the electrical scarring hypothesis a
18:14
pristine example was discovered in 2017
18:18
when an image was released of the
18:20
terrain within the 10 kilometres sunil
18:22
crater on Mars planetary scientists
18:25
insist that the crater was produced by
18:28
an impact they have no real explanation
18:31
for the raised dendritic features
18:33
associated with secondary craters within
18:35
the crater
18:36
NASA's attempt to explain the image
18:39
reads as follows
18:40
secondary craters formed from rocks
18:42
ejected at high speed from the primary
18:45
crater which then impact the ground at
18:47
sufficiently high speed to make huge
18:49
numbers of much smaller craters over a
18:51
large region in this scene however the
18:54
secondary crater ejecta has an unusual
18:57
raised relief appearance like bas-relief
19:00
sculpture the best guess NASA can offer
19:03
is that the so-called impact crater has
19:05
been mysteriously weathered over eons of
19:07
time but experimental research within
19:10
the EU community provides much more
19:12
promising possibilities
19:14
one such experiment performed by the
19:17
aforementioned Billy Elberton produced
19:19
Ray's dendritic ridges simply by
19:21
applying intense vibrations to soil
19:24
consider also this experiment performed
19:27
by YouTube user Dai fly-fish subjecting
19:30
aluminum foil to electrical discharge
19:32
and consider also the side-by-side
19:35
comparison of highly mysterious
19:37
so-called Martian spiders and an
19:40
electrical discharge experiment
19:42
performed by Zane Parker as we've said
19:44
before the Martian environment is a
19:46
quote laboratory in space for testing
19:49
the concepts of electric universe
19:51
geology as we've detailed many times
19:54
more than a decade ago dr. C J ransom
19:57
performed the only experiments to date
19:59
that have reproduced the Martian
20:01
blueberries tiny spirals that appear by
20:04
the trillions embedded to the Martian
20:06
soil and the same spherical forms are
20:09
seen in giant mysterious domes inside of
20:12
craters a continuing puzzle for
20:14
planetary scientists a great testimony
20:17
to the electrical catastrophes that
20:19
ravaged Mars is the more than six miles
20:22
of crustal depth which was mysteriously
20:24
removed from the Martian northern
20:26
hemisphere where did all this material
20:28
go a clue is found in the completely
20:31
unexpected discovery of Martian
20:33
meteorites on earth
20:35
initially planetary scientists treated
20:37
the discovery with great skepticism
20:39
since they did not expect that the
20:41
escaped material could reach the
20:43
necessary velocities to bring it to
20:45
earth the massive electrical excavation
20:48
of Mars could have also been the source
20:50
of the mysterious asteroids that share
20:52
Mars's orbit called Trojans in fact a
20:55
scientific paper published in 2017
20:58
proposed that the asteroids are the
21:00
remains of a decimated mini planet since
21:03
they are composed of olivine and other
21:05
distinctly planetary minerals planetary
21:08
scientists also imagined violent
21:10
collisions as the likely source of the
21:13
Martian moons Phobos and Deimos as
21:15
described in a space.com report a large
21:19
impact or smashing into the red planet
21:21
could have sent pieces flying into the
21:23
air where gravity may have drawn them
21:25
together
21:26
an existing moon might have also been
21:28
destroyed creating the rubble that later
21:30
formed fobos and damos as we look closer
21:34
at Mars's Phobos collisions and
21:36
gravitational accretion the only
21:39
theoretical mechanisms available for
21:41
planetary scientists prove totally
21:43
inadequate to explain what we actually
21:45
see like countless other rocky bodies we
21:49
see dramatic parallel channels and
21:51
crater chains features not expected at
21:54
all from mechanical collisions but as
21:56
we've Illustrated dozens of times they
21:59
are routinely produced in experiments
22:01
with electrical discharge and the most
22:04
dramatic feature on Phobos the
22:06
astonishing Stickney crater underscores
22:09
a puzzle that is repeated on countless
22:11
bodies in the solar system the crater is
22:14
nine kilometres across nearly half the
22:17
diameter of Phobos itself how could any
22:20
impact capable of producing such a
22:22
massive crater fail to shatter the moon
22:25
a similarly improbably huge crater is
22:28
seen here on the Saturnian moon ah--this
22:31
the moon is only one thousand kilometers
22:34
in diameter and yet it's giant hexagonal
22:37
crater is an incredible 450 kilometers
22:40
across as reported by universe today.com
22:44
whatever struct ëthis in the distant
22:46
past
22:47
probably should have shattered it into
22:49
pieces but didn't on the famous asteroid
22:52
Vesta the largest so-called impact
22:55
crater is an astounding 475 kilometers
22:58
across the diameter of the asteroid is
23:01
only 525 kilometres craters much too
23:05
massive to have been produced by
23:07
mechanical collisions is just one of
23:09
many enigmas resolved by the electrical
23:12
scarring hypothesis in the companion
23:15
piece to this video called the craters
23:17
are electric we outlined numerous types
23:20
of craters seen on every type of solid
23:22
body that are routinely produced by
23:24
electrical discharge in the laboratory
23:26
including weird hexagonal or square
23:29
craters so-called bull's-eye craters
23:33
craters with flat floors and pinched up
23:36
rims
23:38
the extreme circularity of craters and
23:42
the complete anomaly of smaller craters
23:45
appearing on the rims of larger craters
23:47
if we apply these explanations to the
23:51
massively cratered services of airless
23:54
worlds as seen on our moon on the planet
23:58
Mercury on the dwarf planet Ceres and in
24:03
the outer solar system on the respective
24:05
moons of the gas giants we find a simple
24:08
resolution to endless mysteries that the
24:11
impact hypothesis has never explained as
24:13
the electric universe geology community
24:16
continues its inevitable growth the
24:19
closer humankind comes to a
24:21
reconstruction of an essential chapter
24:23
of our history a chapter of a drama not
24:26
ridden in science textbooks yet
24:29
indelibly imprinted in every arena of
24:31
human culture a drama waiting to be
24:35
remembered
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I read through the last several dozen posts on this thread earlier this morning. I have to say that I feel like I had a pretty good handle on things back more than seven years ago. I feel about the same now about the Electric Universe Theory as I did then, which is to say that I'm convinced that electricity plays a much greater role in the way the universe works than standard cosmologists are willing to admit but am still quite a ways away from calling myself a proponent of the theory.

It seems that main stream science is in the process of accepting much of the what the EUT proposes without acknowledging it as such. They're doing this through what is referred to as Plasma Cosmology, which main stream science wants to insist is not the same thing and perhaps it isn't. There can be no doubt that the EUT people are quite fully out to lunch, to use a kind euphemism, on several topics and they really do tend to see the electric force as the answer to every open scientific question. Electricity, in their view, explains everything from ancient pagan god mythology and astrology to thunderstorms and hurricanes and earthquakes and volcano eruptions, and that's to intentionally leave aside any actual cosmological issues. The science happening in the realm known and Plasma Cosmolgy, however, seem to constrain themselves to issues surrounding the role plasma plays in the cosmos - imagine that!

The degree to which what I just wrote is accurate is the degree to which it would be accurate to consider me a propent of Plasma Cosmology rather than of the Electric Universe Theory. However, the fact remains that some of the best material in video format that you can find on the internet is being produced by the folks over at the Thunderbolts Project. Unfortunately, you can't expose yourself to any of their material without being inundated with the "Alien Sky" nonsense, which is just so annoyingly frustrating.

Anyway, it is their latest video that has brought this subject back to the forfront of my mind and I wanted to post it here for those who might be interested. It is the third of a three part series that discusses the framework for a theory of everything. It isn't actually that, of course, but it does at least try to go in that direction, which is to say that the title isn't pure click bait.

One of the major points made in this particular video has to do with the faster than light effects of gravity. The narator makes the argument that if the effects of gravity were to propagate through space at the speed the light that there would be tremendous torque forces betweeen orbiting bodied (like two stars) that would make the whole system fly apart. He states that if the various planets were orbiting were the Sun was when it's light left then while Mercury would gets that information almost immediately, we here on Earth would orbit a point where the Sun was about 8 minutes ago and Jupiter would be orbiting where the Sun was another 35 minutes before that, etc and the result would be a cone shaped solar system.

Here's my feeble attempt at refuting that notion....

The narrator states that, in 8 minutes (i.e. the time it takes light (and the effects of gravity) to move from the Sun to the Earth), the Sun moves about 110,000 miles. That's just shy of 13% of the Sun's diameter. (Sun's diameter = 864,938 miles). Extrapolating the numbers for Jupiter, the Sun will have moved 591,250 miles away from the point that Jupiter believes the Sun to be gravitationally. That's just over 68% of the Sun's diameter (i.e. not 50 times or 20 times or even 2 times but less than 1 times the diameter of the Sun.) Do you know how small the Sun looks to Jupiter; how wide across the Sun would look to an observer in Jupiter's orbit? The Sun is just over .5° across in the sky here on Earth and Jupiter is 5 times further away from the Sun than we are. Jupiter is 484 million miles from the Sun, if the Sun moves 591250 miles in the time it takes for Jupiter to feel the Sun's gravity then you can do a little math using the Pythagorean Theorem* and determine the change in the angle of the Sun's apparent position vs. its actual position relative to Jupiter.


Side a = 591250 (Miles that the Sun travels in the 43 minutes it takes for Jupiter to feel the Sun's gravity.)
Side b = 484000000 (Aprox. miles from the Sun to Jupiter.)
This yields an angle at ∠α of .07° (change in apparent position of the Sun at Jupiter.)

A whole whopping .07° of arc. That's 7% of 1 degree of arc!

Okay, so the solar system turns out to be a cone that is so flat that you couldn't detect the slope of it's sides if your life depended on it. It seems that no matter how fast the Sun is moving through space, it's no match for the speed of light, which is the speed gravity has been physically measured to travel at.

This sort of argument, I think, is the Achilles heel of the Electric Universe Theory. If they want to be taken seriously then they ought not make arguments such as this. They say things like "cone shaped solar system" and that convinces people because the solar system isn't shaped like the dunce cap that the people making the argument should be forced to wear as punishment for having made the argument.

So what other problems can any of you detect from the following....



P.S. I've posted this counter argument in the comments section of the YouTube video. It'll be fun to see what the response to it is.

* I realized last night that it isn't actually the Pythagorean Theorem that is used to get the change in angle. It's actually trigonometry. I knew it had something to do with triangles! 📐
 
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