toldailytopic: George Washington and Abe Lincoln: how would they have fared in the up

[jwp98]

I'm ignorant of Washington, except wasn't he very rich? So a natural politician haha.

Lincoln would be horrified to see he set the stage for the federal consolidation of power. But he did what he did to save the union.

Either man compares favorably to the rich pseudointellectual liberals and rednecks we have been electing.

 

[drbrumley]

Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all… In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave…

The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives…

The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim…

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop…

Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people under an efficient government. the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel…

It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world… to warn against the mischiefs of foreign intrigue, to guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism…

 

[Angel4Truth]

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” - Abraham Lincoln

No wonder he was called honest abe, if that there isnt the truth, i dont know what is.

That is exactly what is happening now - our biggest threats are within, starting right at the top with our current president.

 

[rocketman]

The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for February 20th, 2012 09:42 AM

toldailytopic: George Washington and Abe Lincoln: how would they have fared in the upcoming 2012 election?

Well George would have been far too conservative but, Abe though a Whig/Republican was well acquainted with not following the constitution and crony politics would have fit right in. Sorry, not a big Abe Lincoln fan.

 

[Quincy]

I don't believe there exist any one of their political resolve or character in today's time, but I'd say Lincoln would be popular among conservatives. It's not like there is an apotheosis of Lincoln anywhere, that I know of, which most christian conservatives would probably freak over learning about Washington's these days. Most people have never heard of it.

 

[Angel4Truth]

George and Abe in a few years, will be deists and completely liberal.

 

[rocketman]

I don't believe there exist any one of their political resolve or character in today's time, but I'd say Lincoln would be popular among conservatives. It's not like there is an apotheosis of Lincoln anywhere, that I know of, which most christian conservatives would probably freak over learning about Washington's these days. Most people have never heard of it.

Quincy, you may want to research Lincoln outside of the textbooks you read in school. Lincoln was not such a noble character as you and I were taught in school. A great book to read on the subject would be "Lincoln Unmasked" remember, that to the victor goes the right to write the history even if it is not totally accurate.

 

[Quincy]

Quincy, you may want to research Lincoln outside of the textbooks you read in school. Lincoln was not such a noble character as you and I were taught in school. A great book to read on the subject would be "Lincoln Unmasked" remember, that to the victor goes the right to write the history even if it is not totally accurate.

I actually don't like Lincoln much. For instance, I don't think the civil war was really over slavery, for that matter. I think though, he would have more in common with your center-right, mainstream right winger, compared to Washington.

 

[rocketman]

I actually don't like Lincoln much. For instance, I don't think the civil war was really over slavery, for that matter. I think though, he would have more in common with your center-right, mainstream right winger, compared to Washington.

He would not appeal to me at all being I am far right of center right :chuckle: but, you are correct about the civil war though, it had nothing to do with slavery at the outset and more to do with a central government trying to lord over the states (sound familiar?), and give the central goverment powers not granted by the constitution.

 

[Cracked]

Well, Abe would have a thing or two to say about all these vampires...

Abe in 2012

 

[eameece]

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[eameece]

The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for February 20th, 2012 09:42 AM

toldailytopic: George Washington and Abe Lincoln: how would they have fared in the upcoming 2012 election?

About as well as Barack Obama!

 

[eameece]

Democrats and liberal Republican's would hate George Washington.

There are no liberal Republicans today.

George Washington would have moved ahead of his times, as he was then. He'd be a Democrat like anyone with any sense.

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian." - George Washington

Nothing that any politician wouldn't say today. It is too bad that all politicians feel the need to end their speeches with "God Bless America," but such is the power of your movement.

 

[eameece]

“When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour.” - George Washington

“Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.” - George Washington

I guess so, when a Revolution depends on them, and you need a "well-regulated militia." Not otherwise.

 

[eameece]

I wonder if Abraham Lincoln could get elected on these ideas....

“If I had eight hours to chop down a tree, I'd spend six hours sharpening my ax” - Abraham Lincoln

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” - Abraham Lincoln

“Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right” - Abraham Lincoln

“Republicans are for both the man and the dollar, but in case of conflict the man before the dollar” - Abraham Lincoln

“Surely God would not have created such a being as man, with an ability to grasp the infinite, to exist only for a day! No, no, man was made for immortality.” - Abraham Lincoln

For sure, he could not get the Republican nomination today. He'd have to run as a Democrat with these views! Particularly the one about the man and the dollar. Republicans care only about dollars.

 

[eameece]

If I had to choose between them, now, I would choose Lincoln, because I think we are becoming toxically divided against ourselves, once again, and we need someone with Lincoln's wisdom and eloquence to help us to become one nation, again. Lincoln would have clearly seen what the real threat in America is, and been able to rally us together, to face it as one. This would accomplish two goals, it would put an end to the forces that are threatening us as a nation, and unite us again as one people.

Just what Obama tried to do, and failed. I doubt Lincoln could do it today either; after all he failed too.

 

[eameece]

I can't imagine Chernow would be very excited knowing that he has a moron praising his book.

And a "right wing fanatic" is a... what?

 

[eameece]

No wonder he was called honest abe, if that there isnt the truth, i dont know what is.

That is exactly what is happening now - our biggest threats are within, starting right at the top with our current president.

No, it is the right wingers like you who are the biggest threat.

 

[PureX]

Just what Obama tried to do, and failed. I doubt Lincoln could do it today either; after all he failed too.

Maybe. But I've been very disappointed by Obama's almost non-existent efforts. He's afraid to even speak of the real problem - the legalized bribery that has completely perverted the prime directive of government that was supposed to be by and for the people.

 

[Granite]

I don't believe there exist any one of their political resolve or character in today's time, but I'd say Lincoln would be popular among conservatives. It's not like there is an apotheosis of Lincoln anywhere, that I know of, which most christian conservatives would probably freak over learning about Washington's these days. Most people have never heard of it.

Lincoln had surprisingly progressive views about labor, capital, and the plight of the working class. It'd be a stretch to call him a socialist but he certainly was a populist figure and no elitist.

How would they fare? Beyond appearance, grooming, and the ability to politic effectively on the campaign trail?

Neither man would stand a chance of being elected by Americans today because Americans today would not make the sacrifices either man would require of them.