You got it in a nutshell. :thumb:
toldailytopic: Do you believe mankind is causing global warming?
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Atheism is pretty reckless. It's like jumping off in the dark and not knowing where you are going to land.:dizzy:
Silly and off-topic. Care to join the rest of us?
Alate_One
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Seriously, how can you people believe this when heat records are being shattered all over the world and ice is melting in the arctic?
The only lie is the one denialists have swallowed.
Alate_One
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Sounds like you are someone that isn't interested in debating the ideas presented.
| Character Assassination/Ad Hominem. People using this technique do not like to waste time debating the idea. Instead, they prefer a quicker route to dispensing with their opponents: go after the person's credibility, motives, intelligence, character, or, if necessary, sanity. No category of character assassination is off the table and no offense is beneath them. |
Really?
Let's see - Granite applies a label to a broad spectrum of people with no evidence and no possible way of getting any and you're accusing me af using an ad hominem argument?
The debate in my post was against Granite's useless contribution. If you wish to take on what I said, it's in my first post. It's substantial, on topic, clearly presented and a real challenge to what you believe.
But I guess it's easier for you to pick on the throw -away lines I use occasionally rather than try honest debate.
And, by the way - Granite is a hypocrite and a coward. He hides behind his ignore function and takes pot shots at people along the very lines that he wails the loudest about when done to him. Do you really have respect for a man who whines about ASC and then uses the same sort of thing against me?
Alate_One
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Have you read what people claiming to be Christian conservatives have posted here in this very thread? Follow that by the data I posted (and which is widely available) which directly contradicts assertions of the people in this thread.
Granite was simply making a comment on the obvious trend in the thread and what is generally obvious with regard to the state of climate change denialism in the "Conservative Christian" community (as again evidenced by the comments in this very thread!). You chose to call that "bigotry", which is nonsense, off topic and an ad-hom.
Now do you want to actually discuss climate science or not?
2011 is already the most expensive year for natural disasters, many of which were weather related. Why is it impossible that disasters could be increasing in frequency due to climate change?
Are you trying out a game of spot the logical fallacy? You've just posted anecdotal evidence as if it was relevant. Is it my turn now?
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Take it up with them rather than labelling everyone according to the words of a few.
Granite is gay.
Sure. Go read my clear, well reasoned, on topic and challenging post instead of dwelling on nonsense. :thumb:
Because it is also possible that you've confused correlation with causation.
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The question was about global warming. Climate change could mean anything
Alate_One
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Anecdotal evidence? Half he posters have asserted the world is cooling. I'm not sure you know what anecdotes are.
It's not just the people here, it's a known trend. And no we're not talking about *everyone* but the percentage of deniers is much higher among certain groups.
Now of course the interesting question is WHY is this the case?
I rest my case on your inability to participate in a rational conversation.
That's possible, but why the insistence there can be no *possibility* of causation?
elohiym
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| toldailytopic: Do you believe mankind is causing global warming? |
Do I believe makind is causing an interglacial period? No. The competing hypothesis that, I believe, makes the fewest assumptions is whatever caused the previous glacial and interglacial periods is causing climate changes.
Except that global warming's an inaccurate and off-target phrase and climate change is more on the money. Thanks for your two cents.
Charts can be exaggerated folks. They are not proof. They have been altered. This was exposed when a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit. I added the link to the site that showed the exposed emails. 61 megabytes of this stuff was released on the internet. This site was kind enough the redact the emails of the guilty parties.
Here's one of them:
This is only a hint that warming data has been fudged. Where I live I see no evidence of warming. The Summers and Winters have been getting colder in fact. This year is exceptionally stormy and damp.
Here's one of them:
| Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm, Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later today or first thing tomorrow. I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999 for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998. Thanks for the comments, Ray. |
This is only a hint that warming data has been fudged. Where I live I see no evidence of warming. The Summers and Winters have been getting colder in fact. This year is exceptionally stormy and damp.
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