Toddler shoots mother in Walmart...
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This Charming Manc
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We both know it wouldn't, but its one of those arguments I here from the gun lobby constantly that makes no sense.
Just because we cannot make the world completely risk free, does not mean we should not do what we can to make it safer.
It is a horrible tragic accident and thankfully rare, but an example of gun accidents that do claim significant lives in the US each year.
However the gun lobby will continue with its inane arguments and avoid addressing the fact that privately owned guns kill an awful lot of Americans every year.
Just because we cannot make the world completely risk free, does not mean we should not do what we can to make it safer.
It is a horrible tragic accident and thankfully rare, but an example of gun accidents that do claim significant lives in the US each year.
However the gun lobby will continue with its inane arguments and avoid addressing the fact that privately owned guns kill an awful lot of Americans every year.
This Charming Manc
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Cars are a fact of life, guns dont have to be.
The level of private gun ownership in US is a weird thing in world terms, its an anomaly, its definitely off the beaten track and its fatal for lots of Americans.
The blocks to doing some thing about this are;
The level of private gun ownership in US is a weird thing in world terms, its an anomaly, its definitely off the beaten track and its fatal for lots of Americans.
The blocks to doing some thing about this are;
- The US constitution locks the concept of Guns = Freedom in peoples mind.
- Removing one constitution right opens the doors for others to be eroded.
- There are just so many guns, its going to be hard to do
- US culture has accepted high gun ownership and death toll that goes with it as normal and acceptable.
While this is a tragedy, it's about the victim not being a responsible gun owner and has nothing to do with guns.
Everyone knows that guns (like cars) are dangerous.
In this day and age, guns are necessary insofar as a way for law abiding citizens to protect themselves as well as their family.
Everyone knows that guns (like cars) are dangerous.
In this day and age, guns are necessary insofar as a way for law abiding citizens to protect themselves as well as their family.
Not in the UK...so stay there and kindly mind your own affairs.
Not weird at all, and no more fatal than knives or poison in your neck of the woods being you banned firearms and there was no drop in homicides...killers just found a different way, poison & stabbing objects.
You have no vested interest in our laws or rights to begin with foreigner so, butt out!
republicanchick
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I have an idea. Why don't we count up the lives SAVED by guns (intruders, rapists, murderers) or that could have been saved had the victim had a gun
and compare that to the number of accidental shootings
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This Charming Manc
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Its about both, but when you have appro 100 millions of gun owners some are going to be irresponsible.
Yeah cars do kill people too but Americans get 3,000,000,000,000 miles per year of road travel for cars, what do you get from guns?
Only in the US, the rest of the civilized world doesn't really need them to protect themselves.
republicanchick
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this is really absurd, even for a lib
interesting you didn't comment on my point about how many lives are SAVED by guns every yr...
no answer to that?
what a shame
Sort of like cars ...
Depends on the owner. There are those who actually hunt for the purpose of putting meat on the table for themselves and their family.
There are also those who wish to have the ultimate protection to keep their loved ones and home safe.
Well goody, goody gumdrops for them. IF those outside of my country wish to put their agenda above their family, it's not my place to tell them their priorities are skewed.
This Charming Manc
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Seeing as my wife and kids are American citizens I do have interest. Any if you friends house in on fire you tell them.
30,000 Americans die from guns every year, many of them preventable, it would uncaring not top point that out.
OK another gun lobby meme. We didn't really have high gun ownership before, so there was no comparison, we had one school shooting so banned all handguns, and haven't had a school shooting in the 20 years since.
We still have mass shootings in the UK but in the region of one every decade.
After the ban on handguns in the 90's we saw murders go up both in the US and UK at the same rate, which would suggest other factors were at play (id suggest crack cocaine and gang violence)
US figures
I'm digging round for UK figures in a similar format bear with me
Well that's interesting ... have you told them not to use anything electric, not to smoke or use wood burning stoves?
Don't forget propane heaters ...
republicanchick
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US figures
interesting... went UP during the Clinton yrs
down during the Bush years..
hmmmm...
republicanchick
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wow, this says it all
I always knew it was foolish to ban handguns and that that would mean only criminals have guns, but I had no idea the stats on this
you lefties care more about your leftie ideology than you do (SURPRISE SURPRISE)
about people
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This Charming Manc
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Why dont you do that...
I've seen some figure banded round on here, but if they were true you average American would be 50 time more likely to be a would be murderer, than a European.
I dont think that's true do you?
Your robbery and rape rates are similar to the UK, your murder rates much higher, that would suggest the net effect is not positive.
but go one go find some convincing and believable stats on the subject
I've seen some figure banded round on here, but if they were true you average American would be 50 time more likely to be a would be murderer, than a European.
I dont think that's true do you?
Your robbery and rape rates are similar to the UK, your murder rates much higher, that would suggest the net effect is not positive.
but go one go find some convincing and believable stats on the subject
An incident like this is frankly unimaginable anywhere else in the civilized world.
We're a nation awash with guns. And a lack of common sense goes a long way, which is why I see no problem with mandatory training before issuing, say, a concealed carry permit.
Otherwise, we'll just have to pretty much do as we've been doing, take these tragedies in stride, and shrug.
We're a nation awash with guns. And a lack of common sense goes a long way, which is why I see no problem with mandatory training before issuing, say, a concealed carry permit.
Otherwise, we'll just have to pretty much do as we've been doing, take these tragedies in stride, and shrug.
:think: I'm pretty sure that states which issue carry permits do this....Whether the amount of training mandated is adequate is another issue however.
Not every state. New Hampshire, my stomping grounds, requires this:
a) ten bucks
b) which you pay when you fill out the application at the PD
c) which you get, after a brief background check, in 3-5 days
That's it. We pay for the permit on the spot, Tom. The operating assumption being that anyone applying for one sure doesn't have a record and is gonna get it anyway. Frankly, I'm not even sure if they check references for renewals--I've put down friends consistently on mine, and if they got a phone call from the chief, they never mentioned it.