I have never met anyone that was not ungodly, Romans 3:10 also Romans 3:23.
Some look pretty good, but all are sinners.
Those Who Pervert God's Word With Religion
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I have never met anyone that was not ungodly, Romans 3:10 also Romans 3:23.
Some look pretty good, but all are sinners.
Nanja
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When Jesus said that one must be born again to enter into the kingdom of God John 3:5-7,
He was speaking of His Seed Is. 53:10, His Sheep, the Election of Grace Rom. 11:5 that The Father had Chosen in Union with Him before the foundation of the world Eph. 1:4 to have forgiveness of sins and an Eternal Inheritance Eph. 1:7-11 before the world began.
2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began
Christ was made a Surety for them Heb. 7:22 in the Everlasting Covenant whom He would die for in time. All their sins were imputed to Him instead of them Is. 53:6; Rom. 4:8!
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So you're saying Jesus saves by grace? I agree.
The "all" and "we" in the Bible are the "whosoevers" that believe in Jesus.
"That whosoever believes in Jesus should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.
Nanja
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You have no understanding of the scriptures.
The only ones who shall believe on Christ in a way that pleases God is a Fruit of the Spirit Gal. 5:22 given them in New Birth.
But the natural man's own believing is as filthy rags Is. 64:6.
Rom. 8:7-8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
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The Bible clearly and plainly teaches that the Holy Spirit is only given to those who hear and believe the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
This is also known as being born again.
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, (Calvinism) but of incorruptible, by the word, (THE GOSPEL) which lives and abides forever" 1 Peter 1:23.
You can still be saved. Renounce Calvinism and trust in Christ alone to save you.
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Why? For what purpose?
If Nanja lives in Michigan why can't she enjoy religious freedom like other Americans, and without your judgment of her faith.
Jesus Christ is responsible for each person's salvation, not Robert Pate.
If she wants to be a Calvinist that is her prerogative. Quit bullying people.
Jesus Christ is not responsible for Nanja's faith, she is.
"Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
God is not in the business of forcing people to believe upon his Son as you seem to believe.
The Holy Spirit is in the world calling all to come to Christ. You don't have to come to him if you don't want to. You have a choice. Problem is that there are consequences to making the wrong choice.
No one is bullying Nanja, she is just another lost soul like you that can't receive truth.
That is not true. God is not as weak as you seem to believe.
If the Father was calling everyone in the world then everyone would come to Christ. As it is, of those God calls only a few will be chosen at this time. This is a special time and Jesus spoke to people in parables lest they understand and be converted.
God has a plan for salvation and it seems to be a mystery to you.
Nanja
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Be concerned for yourself!
Pate
False teaching!
Hearing and Believing the Gospel are Spiritual attributes that accompany New Birth. It brings their Spiritual Life to Light 2 Tim. 1:10 or makes known, or reveals to them that are the Children of Promise Gal. 4:28, the Chosen Seed Eph. 1:4-5, the Election of Grace before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9.
Jesus Christ, as their Covenant Head and Surety Heb. 7:22 has always been responsible for the Members of His Body Chosen in Union with Him before the foundation of the world. So each one must be Born Again / Born of the Spirit 1 Pet. 1:3, 23 because all their sins were charged to Him in their stead Eph. 1:7; Rom. 4:8.
Rom. 4:25
Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
So each one of them that Christ died for John 10:11, 15 shall walk in Newness of Life Rom. 6:4; shall receive New Spiritual Life / New Birth passively John 3:7.
And there's absolutely nothing anyone does, any action he performs in the flesh whatsoever Rom 8:7-8, that can cause himself to be Born Again!
These Truths have been explained to you many times, but you are unable to comprehend them because of the blindness of your heart Eph. 4:18; 2 Cor. 4:3-4. As a result, your focus is misdirected on the flesh of man, performing works one does, i.e, believing on Him, calling on Him, etc. What you are doing is giving space for yourself to bring about your own salvation. That's pure idolatry!
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What are you going to do about the 8,000 Jews that heard and believed the Gospel after Peter preached the Gospel to them? Acts 2:14. Some of which had participated in the crucifixion of Christ, Acts 2:36.
Now, you are going to tell me that those who crucified Christ were the elect, chosen from the foundation of the world.
You are not able to receive truth because you are void of the Holy Spirit.
Lord of elect and non elect:
For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living. (Romans 14:9 ASV)
There are living elect and non elect.
Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: (1 Timothy 1:15 ASV)
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For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living. (Romans 14:9 ASV)
There are living elect and non elect.
Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: (1 Timothy 1:15 ASV)
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Nanja
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Of themselves they were incapable of doing anything that pleased God.
But it was because the Holy Ghost fell on them:
Acts. 11:15
And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Because God's Almighty Spiritual Power fell upon them, they were Made Able to Hear the Gospel which is Spiritual, by God-Given Faith, a Fruit and Gift of the Holy Spirit!
Got that?! :duh:
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When?
You figure it out.
John 3:16 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
16 “For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.
Do you believe the Father called everyone who has ever lived into a relationship with Jesus Christ?
Yes, everyone will have an opportunity to accept Jesus Christ's love and sacrifice, even Cain.
This is not the only day of salvation.
Teaching that you must already be saved before you can hear the Gospel is really very stupid and unscriptural.
What about those Jews that had participated in the crucifixion of Christ. Acts 2:36.
Were they already saved?
Nanja
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How many times now have you repeatedly posted that same comment and questions?
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