ECT Those of the Body of Christ Will Reign on the Earth With Christ

[Jerry Shugart]

We can see that from the point of time of the rapture onward those in the Body of Christ will for ever be with the Lord Jesus:

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (1 Thess.4:16-17).​

Those in the Body will return with the Lord Jesus to the earth when He sets up His earthly kingdom. The Apostle Paul asks the believers the following:

"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" (1 Cor.6:2).​

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

 

[steko]

Yep!

 

[Jerry Shugart]

1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

So?

Do you believe that when the Lord Jesus returns to the earth to set up His earthly kingdom that those in the Body of Christ will return with Him?

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

So?

Do you believe that when the Lord Jesus returns to the earth to set up His earthly kingdom that those in the Body of Christ will return with Him?

Ephesians 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Ephesians 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Do you or do you not believe that those in the Body of Christ will return with the Lord Jesus when He sets up His earthly kingdom?

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Do you or do you not believe that those in the Body of Christ will return with the Lord Jesus when He sets up His earthly kingdom?

I believe this:


Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Ephesians 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Ephesians 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

Ephesians 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Ephesians 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

I believe this

Why do you refuse to answer whether or not those in the Body will return to the earth with the Lord Jesus when He comes to set up His earthly kingdom?

 

[turbosixx]

We can see that from the point of time of the rapture onward those in the Body of Christ will for ever be with the Lord Jesus:

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (1 Thess.4:16-17).​

Those in the Body will return with the Lord Jesus to the earth when He sets up His earthly kingdom. The Apostle Paul asks the believers the following:

"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" (1 Cor.6:2).​

We are already in his kingdom.

Col. 1:13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

We are already in his kingdom.

Col. 1:13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Not physically!

We are identified with the Lord Jesus to such an extent that Paul said the following:

"Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph.2:5-6).​

The kingdom will not be set up on the earth until the Lord Jesus returns and begins to sit upon His throne. He said:

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory" (Mt.25:31).

 

[whitestone]

will he come before or after they say "blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord",,,that is did he or will he return before the Jews confess him as Christ?

 

[turbosixx]

Not physically!

We are identified with the Lord Jesus to such an extent that Paul said the following:

"Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph.2:5-6).​

The kingdom will not be set up on the earth until the Lord Jesus returns and begins to sit upon His throne. He said:

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory" (Mt.25:31).

I agree, we are in a spiritual kingdom now but Matt. 25 is talking about judgement day.
46These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Jesus is our King and high priest now. I feel people today are making the same mistake the Jews made, still looking for a physical kingdom when we have been given a greater spiritual one.

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body;..... 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.....50Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

 

[Totton Linnet]

The BOC will reign from heaven....the Joos will reign on earth

 

[whitestone]

let us say for the debates sake(not that I am making any predictions),,,,that in 2018 the end of this day comes and with it the end of the dispensation of grace. And all of the saint are with Christ.

Now in that day when the kingdom of God on earth is come and those who dwell in the next world are brought into an binding covenant what will be the manner of it? Will the dispensation of grace end and the manner of salvation change? That is in that day will the same grace be the same salvation unto those in the millennial kingdom,will they be saved by the same cross and will they be told the same thing as in this dispensation?

There in it is written that cursed be any that preach another Gospel other than that which I delivered. And so now in that day if any other Gospel is then preached other than the Gospel of grace,,,well then they will be cursed. So what will I say to those dwelling on the earth in that day will I say that the Christ who saved those in the former dispensation(this current disp.) is not the same Christ who is the head of the body,but that they will at some point in the midst of their day(disp.) be saved by another Messiah and that they should believe on him and await his birth?

 

[chrysostom]

So?

Do you believe that when the Lord Jesus returns to the earth to set up His earthly kingdom that those in the Body of Christ will return with Him?

no
where does it say that?
did you know His kingdom is not of this world?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

The BOC will reign from heaven....the Joos will reign on earth

We can see that from the point of time of the rapture onward those in the Body of Christ will for ever be with the Lord Jesus:

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (1 Thess.4:16-17).​

You evidently do not believe what Paul wrote there.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

no
where does it say that?
did you know His kingdom is not of this world?

He said that his kingdom is not "now" of this world:

"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence" (Jn.18:36).​

Of course later when the Lord Jesus returns to the earth He will then sit upon His throne and begin to reign over His kingdom:

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory" (Mt.25:31).​

 

[Jerry Shugart]

will he come before or after they say "blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord",,,that is did he or will he return before the Jews confess him as Christ?

They will not see Him until they say that so it will be after they say that.

Now in that day when the kingdom of God on earth is come and those who dwell in the next world are brought into an binding covenant what will be the manner of it? Will the dispensation of grace end and the manner of salvation change? That is in that day will the same grace be the same salvation unto those in the millennial kingdom,will they be saved by the same cross and will they be told the same thing as in this dispensation?

The present dispensation will end at the rapture. The terms of salvation will remain the same after the rapture. Throughout history man has been saved in only one way--by grace through faith apart from works, all made possible by the Lord Jesus' death upon the Cross. After this dispensation is over, the message will be the gospel of the kingdom, the truth that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. And believing that gospel will result in life by being born of God (Jn.20:31; 1 Jn.5:1-5).

 

[Danoh]

The BOC will reign from heaven....the Joos will reign on earth

Yep, its sort of like that.

At the same time, some; no matter how many decades they have been reading "books about" these issues, will have to continue to assert the Body will return to reign on the Earth, for their failure to understand the purpose of the Mystery to begin with.

And decades more will not get anyone anywhere, with them.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

I agree, we are in a spiritual kingdom now but Matt. 25 is talking about judgement day.
46These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

This verse speaks of the Lord Jesus returning to the earth and then beginning to reign in His kingdom:

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory" (Mt.25:31).​

The earthly kingdom will not be near until He returns to the earth:

"And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand" (Lk.21:27-31).​

Jesus is our King and high priest now. I feel people today are making the same mistake the Jews made, still looking for a physical kingdom when we have been given a greater spiritual one.

The Apostles were with the risen Lord for forty days while He tutored them on the things concerning the kingdom. And they believed that a physical kingdom would be restored to Israel (Acts 1:3,6).

After forty days of being taught by the King about the coming kingdom it is impossible that they could be mistaken about such a basic thing.