Interplanner
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They Made Me Gay
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Arthur Brain
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Children can't give consent to sex under law so in cases where an adult has exploited or molested a child they're prosecuted.
ok doser
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maybe we should cede the use of "consent" to the legal arena since artie and town are too retarded to recognize there's different usages
how about this:
What is society's response (leaving aside legal considerations) when there is willingness by the child, in Britain or elsewhere?
Arthur Brain
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Seriously, do you not even bore yourself with this same feeble crap over and over again? Is this why you stalk the likes of TH, because you know you're just so limited and can't match wits?
You're as dumb as a box of three week old yak droppings ya tedious little sad act. Anybody with an IQ over four and a half knows how the land lies in England in regards to pedophilia. It doesn't have a snowflake's chance in a furnace of becoming legal.
Hey, you carry on though. Had enough bat crazy from you for the day...
Arthur Brain
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Ok, one more reply...
The same thing you dopey nut. If a forty year old man has sex with a ten year old then society doesn't think "Oh, it's okay because the child was willing".
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And that really is enough stupid from you for the day, in fact probably the week or month...
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ok doser
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as has been shown, some segments of society indeed do think just that
but you go right ahead and stick your fingers in your ears lalalalalala
ok doser
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| In 1976 the National Council for Civil Liberties, the respectable (and responsible) pressure group now known as Liberty, made a submission to parliament's criminal law revision committee. It caused barely a ripple. "Childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in with an adult," it read, "result in no identifiable damage … The real need is a change in the attitude which assumes that all cases of paedophilia result in lasting damage." It is difficult today, after the public firestorm unleashed by revelations about Jimmy Savile and the host of child abuse allegations they have triggered, to imagine any mainstream group making anything like such a claim. But if it is shocking to realise how dramatically attitudes to paedophilia have changed in just three decades, it is even more surprising to discover how little agreement there is even now among those who are considered experts on the subject. A liberal professor of psychology who studied in the late 1970s will see things very differently from someone working in child protection, or with convicted sex offenders. There is, astonishingly, not even a full academic consensus on whether consensual paedophilic relations necessarily cause harm. So what, then, do we know? A paedophile is someone who has a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children. Savile appears to have been primarily an ephebophile, defined as someone who has a similar preferential attraction to adolescents, though there have been claims one of his victims was aged eight. But not all paedophiles are child molesters, and vice versa: by no means every paedophile acts on his impulses, and many people who sexually abuse children are not exclusively or primarily sexually attracted to them. In fact, "true" paedophiles are estimated by some experts to account for only 20% of sexual abusers. Nor are paedophiles necessarily violent: no firm links have so far been established between paedophilia and aggressive or psychotic symptoms. Psychologist Glenn Wilson, co-author of The Child-Lovers: a Study of Paedophiles in Society, argues that "The majority of paedophiles, however socially inappropriate, seem to be gentle and rational." Legal definitions of paedophilia, needless to say, have no truck with such niceties, focusing on the offence, not the offender. The Sex Offenders Act 1997 defined paedophilia as a sexual relationship between an adult over 18 and a child below 16. There is much more we don't know, including how many paedophiles there are: 1-2% of men is a widely accepted figure, but Sarah Goode, honorary research fellow at the University of Winchester and author of two major 2009 and 2011 sociological studies on paedophilia in society, says the best current estimate – based on possibly flawed science – is that "one in five of all adult men are, to some degree, capable of being sexually aroused by children". Even less is known about female paedophiles, thought to be responsible for maybe 5% of abuse against pre-pubescent children in the UK. Debate still rages, too, about the clinical definition of paedophilia. Down the years, the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders – "the psychiatrist's bible" – has variously classified it as a sexual deviation, a sociopathic condition and a non-psychotic medical disorder. And few agree about what causes it. Is paedophilia innate or acquired? Research at the sexual behaviours clinic of Canada's Centre for Addiction and Mental Health suggests paedophiles' IQs are, on average, 10% lower than those of sex offenders who had abused adults, and that paedophiles are significantly less likely to be right-handed than the rest of the population, suggesting a link to brain development. MRI scans reveal a possible issue with paedophiles' "white matter": the signals connecting different areas of the brain. Paedophiles may be wired differently. This is radical stuff. But there is a growing conviction, notably in Canada, that paedophilia should probably be classified as a distinct sexual orientation, like heterosexuality or homosexuality. Two eminent researchers testified to that effect to a Canadian parliamentary commission last year, and the Harvard Mental Health Letter of July 2010 stated baldly that paedophilia "is a sexual orientation" and therefore "unlikely to change". Child protection agencies and many who work with sex offenders dislike this. "Broadly speaking, in the world of people who work with sex offenders here, [paedophilia] is learned behaviour," says Donald Findlater, director of research and development at the Lucy Faithfull Foundation, a charity dedicated to preventing child sexual abuse, and, before it closed, manager of leading treatment centre the Wolvercote Clinic. "There may be some vulnerabilities that could be genetic, but normally there are some significant events in a person's life, a sexually abusive event, a bullying environment … I believe it is learned, and can be unlearned." Chris Wilson of Circles UK, which helps released offenders, also rejects the idea that paedophilia is a sexual orientation: "The roots of that desire for sex with a child lie in dysfunctional psychological issues to do with power, control, anger, emotional loneliness, isolation." If the complexity and divergence of professional opinion may have helped create today's panic around paedophilia, a media obsession with the subject has done more: a sustained hue and cry exemplified by the News of the World's notorious "name and shame" campaign in 2000, which brought mobs on to the streets to demonstrate against the presence of shadowy monsters in their midst. As a result, paranoia about the danger from solitary, predatory deviants far outweighs the infinitely more real menace of abuse within the home or extended circle. "The vast majority of sexual violence is committed by people known to the victim," stresses Kieran Mccartan, senior lecturer in criminology at the University of the West of England. Only very rarely is the danger from the "stranger in the white van", Mccartan says. The reclassification of paedophilia as a sexual orientation would, however, play into what Goode calls "the sexual liberation discourse", which has existed since the 1970s. "There are a lot of people," she says, "who say: we outlawed homosexuality, and we were wrong. Perhaps we're wrong about paedophilia." Social perceptions do change. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light |
musterion
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musterion
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Exactly. The drugged child evidently didn't/wasn't able to say "no" loudly or clearly enough, so it wasn't "rape" rape.
musterion
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Not yet.
And who/what is this nebulous, all-authoritive "society" you keep referencing?
musterion
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You miss the point. Celebrity leftists think Polanski is a paragon of tortured virtue even though they acknowledge he raped a child in Jack Nicholson's house.
Interplanner
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I think in Washington state, the 7 year look back is going to be abolished, so there will be more prosecutions.
Arthur Brain
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Not the case any more and shouldn't have been then. Again, tolerance to child abuse is zero, hence the prosecutions of celebrities who regrettably had gotten away with it for so long. The laws have tightened, not relaxed.
ok doser
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Arthur Brain
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Don't really care what celebrities think - liberal or otherwise in the main - so the point still stands. It ain't tolerated and the laws surrounding children have only increased in stringency where it comes to pedophilia and abuse.
musterion
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The acid test: since all this went public, has the execution of those "tightened" laws resulted in more arrests and prosecutions of those like Glitter and Savile?
Arthur Brain
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Ok, when there's a law passed that it's okay for adults to have sex with ten year old children then you can shout "I told you so" to your hearts content. In the meantime there still seem to be investigations into pedophile rings and crackdowns on child molesters over here...
ok doser
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:doh:
artie's claiming that all cases of pedophilia are instantly and successfully prosecuted
absolutely amazing :dizzy:
Arthur Brain
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Yes. Rolf Harris and Stuart Hall to name two. Other investigations followed as well. How does this support the notion that pedophilia is likely to become accepted exactly?
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ok doser
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just as the laws criminalizing homosexuality increased in stringency in the sixties and early seventies