I said
If people don't know who God is or what He does. And they don't know who satan is or what he does. They will never be able to discern which one they are placing as their God.
Luke 7
John the Baptist
7So he began saying to the crowds who were going out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
But he was wrong, influenced by failed OT prophecy. No wrath came.
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Just because you can't perceive it, doesn't mean wrath didn't come.
Did not the Romans destroy the temple in 70 A.D. , killing many jews , including 'vipers' (that is, Pharisees) in the process? Did not God use the Romans as instruments to deliver His wrath?
And that verse in Luke 7 needs to be looked at in context. What does the following verse say?
'Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance' (Luke 3:8)
If one does not repent (turn away from sin), wrath will come upon that person/people.
The wrath of God will fall on all who are outside of Jesus Christ. The unbelievers.
They are the ones that have refused to enter into his rest, Hebrews 4:3.
I suspect that they are the religious who are trying to justify themselves through their works, Matthew 7:21, 22, 23.
I said
If all you got is faith, you got nothing. Even if you had the faith to move mountains. if that is all you got , you got nothing.
1 Cor 13:2
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
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James 2:24
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
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James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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You quote a lot of scripture, but you understand very little of it.
"But to him that does NO WORKS, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.
"For what does the scripture say? Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness" Romans 4:3.
I guess we might differ on the identity of that which is awry.
Well indeed and hear, hear.
Maybe you could tell that to all the religious nuts out there who want Jesus to be my friend too. They might take it better from you than I.
Stuart
Yes to the first question. No to the second.
Israel was, and has remained under, "the time of the Gentiles" [the will of various Gentile powers greatly influencing their political fate to this very day]. This began with their Babylonian captivity for their disobedience, for their disobedience of the Law, see Daniel 9's prayer in Daniel 9, but also, his interpretation of King Neb's dream in Daniel 2.
What power was Israel under at that time, only to continue to rebel against the LORD, this time; against His Christ - see John 19: 10-11.
At that time, and per Luke 13:5-9, Israel was given a one year extension after the Cross, secured by the Lord at the Cross per His prayer "Father forgive them," Luke 23: 34, but committed the unpardonable sin in Acts 7:51, they warned of in Matt. 12:30-32, when they resisted the Spirit's witness to them that Jesus had been the Christ - Acts 2 thru chapter 7.
Recall that in Genesis 11, and per Rom. 1 and 2, as well, God's answer in His wrath to the Gentiles in their rebellion against Him had been, not to wipe them out again, rather; to give them up, Rom. 1:24. He did not destroy them. They have been doing that to one another very well on their own to this very day.
In Acts 7:42 the Spirit speaking through Stephen reminds Israel of that time in the past when God gave them up for their disobedience to the Law and the Prophets.
During such times, Israel would continue its own, rebellious path, Hosea 4, this time, with the eventual effect that the Gentiles they were under politically - the Roman Empire - decided to put them in check, if not wipe out a great many of them.
What happened in 70AD was that when the LORD once more removed His hand, Israel, already under a Gentile power: the might of the Roman Empire, continued its rebellion against that power that God had allowed come over them centuries earlier for their disobedience, with the result that the Romans decided against them.
Again, in Acts 13:46, in Acts 18:6, and in Act 28:28, God lets Israel know three times through the Apostle Paul that His hands are clean, that He has turned from Israel.
Israel continued the very rebellion for which God, in His wrath, turned from them, 1 Thess. 2:15-16.
While passages like Romans 11:25-29 relate that was temporary, and 2 Peter 3:15-16.
I said
And Abraham had to prove it with works, just like we do.
James 2:21-24
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God.
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
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The Jews lost a war of Gentile vengeance, they've lost many in their exagerated history. Many nations lost wars, nothing to do with Gods wrath. This planet is one long history of man at war.
It would have been cool if Jesus and the angels and trumpets actually DID fill up the sky before it fell in Rome during that time like he promised.
popsthebuilder
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Satan doesn't test anyone. There is negativity all around and throughout. The test and salvation are through these daily life trials and the Faith that God will lead us through or tests victorious over temptation, temporal pain and suffering. This suffering is needed for God's chosen to be able to be born again in Crist.
popsthebuilder
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Jesus prophesied that Peter would deny God before the call of the rooster which he denied. He said he was ready to die for the teachings of God, yet denied him when the time came. This is why he is still imprisoned to this day and must wait for the end times to be released to his righteous place under God.
popsthebuilder
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He is most likely called to follow the direction of God through the teachings of Christ, like all truly faithful.
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Man.0
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Where in the bible does it say that Peter was imprisoned? Where are you getting this from?
popsthebuilder
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Who are you to call on any man in defiance of what God has shown them? Your attempts will only strengthen the resolve of the truly faithful in Christ under God. You will indeed be damned if you do not refrain from evil and desist in your manipulation.
popsthebuilder
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And you can be labelled as ignorant. All the New covenant refer to our suffering in this life through the guidance of God and the ridicule of the lost.
SeraphimsCherub
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It's desolation, a black-hole pit with no hope. The son of perdition. Lawlessness
popsthebuilder
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There are multiple places in scripture that attest that we are to follow the teachings of Christ and the apostles. It briefly insinuates that some of the apostles are indeed in a sort of purgatory for There unintentionally misdirection and division. It goes further in that it states that we must set straight the twisted path under God in order for the salvation of others. It may take me some time to locate these sections of scripture as I haven't memorized them as many have. I will look and report back asap.