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You asked a question and I answered it.
Nothing can be more relevant than that.
You are a numbskull.
The World God so Loved !
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Nothing can be more relevant than that.
You are a numbskull.
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Scripture (that thing that you CLAIM to believe) says that John agreed to LIMIT his ministry to the CIRCUMCISION.
beloved57
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The world of John 3:16, the word world kosmos from which comes our english word cosmos meaning:
means "universe". But the word is generally used to suggest an orderly or harmonious universe,
The greek word means:
kósmos (literally, "something ordered") – properly, an "ordered system" (like the universe, creation); the world.
in Greek writings from Homer down, an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order
This denotes Gods Creation in the very beginning but became disrupted by the entrance of sin and causing all the elect to enter the world as sinners as the non elect, however the elect being the most important part. They are the world of people Chosen in Christ Jesus before the foundation Eph 1:4 !
means "universe". But the word is generally used to suggest an orderly or harmonious universe,
The greek word means:
kósmos (literally, "something ordered") – properly, an "ordered system" (like the universe, creation); the world.
in Greek writings from Homer down, an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order
This denotes Gods Creation in the very beginning but became disrupted by the entrance of sin and causing all the elect to enter the world as sinners as the non elect, however the elect being the most important part. They are the world of people Chosen in Christ Jesus before the foundation Eph 1:4 !
beloved57
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Its because of people like you, John wrote 1 Jn 2:2. Unlearned ethnic jews would take 1 Jn 4:10
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Uninformed jews would say the propitiation for our sins is confined to ethnic jews, but John corrects that errant opinion and wrote 1 Jn 2:2
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours[jewish believers] only, but also for the sins of the whole world[gentile believers].
Yet you still dont get it !
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You are, ONCE AGAIN, arguing with scripture and not with me.
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Lol You still dont get it. You under strong delusion friend !
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No... that would be you!
So Paul lied?
But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter . . . and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. - Galatians 2:7,9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians2:7,9&version=NKJV
Paul says that John and the others agreed to go to the circumcision while Paul went to the gentiles.
Circumcision refers to Israel, the Jews, the people of the circumcision.
There is no circumcision in the Body of Christ, except figuratively, and not of a body part, but of one's heart.
What I think has nothing to do with it.
Is it only for the Jews? Of course not.
But only TO the Jews? Yes, because blindness in part has come to the Jews, but that blindness is not permanent. Hebrews to Revelation is for Israel (yes, the nation) AFTER "the fulness of the Gentiles" comes in (Romans 11:25), not to Israel today, and CERTAINLY not to the Body of Christ.
beloved57
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I have been over this a million times.
You may have danced around it "a million times," but you've never faced it head on.
Answer the question:
Did Paul lie? Yes or no.
But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter . . . and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. - Galatians 2:7,9
Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 2:7, Galatians 2:9 - New King James Version
But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter
beloved57
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Who does John mean, the Apostle of the jews, when he writes 1 Jn 2:2You may have danced around it "a million times," but you've never faced it head on.
Answer the question:
Did Paul lie? Yes or no.
But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter . . . and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. - Galatians 2:7,9
Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 2:7, Galatians 2:9 - New King James Version
But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peterwww.biblegateway.com
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Is John writing of the same propitiation in 1 Jn 4:10
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
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From the guy that thinks what "the whole world" does not mean "the whole world".
You are so funny and ironic.
beloved57
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Who does John mean by whole world in 1 Jn 2:2 sir ?
Propitiation:
| Strong's g2434 - Lexical: ἱλασμός - Transliteration: hilasmos - Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine - Phonetic Spelling: hil-as-mos' - Definition: a propitiation (of an angry god), atoning sacrifice. - Origin: Atonement, i.e. (concretely) an expiator. - Usage: propitiation. - Translated as (count): a propitiation (1), propitiation (1). |
An atoning sacrifice.
Now answer the question, @beloved57, with a clear yes or no:
Was Paul lying in the following passage?
But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter . . . and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. - Galatians 2:7,9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians2:7,9&version=NKJV
Question 2:
A) In 1 John 2:2, to whom is John referring by using "our" and "ours"?
B) John sets up the answer to the above question as being a different, smaller group/entity than "the whole world." To whom is he referring with "the whole world" (cannot be the same group/entity) as 2A)?
Question 3:
In 1 John 4:10, to whom is John referring by using "we", "us", and "our"?
@beloved57 Followup for Question 3:
Is the "we", "us", and "our" referring to someone different than the "our" and "ours" of 1 John 2:2? If so, how did you come to that conclusion?
beloved57
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Waste of time, I know what propitiation is. This is a mere diversion tatic which Im not interested.
beloved57
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Evding a question with a question !
There was more to my post that you're ignoring.
Don't do that.
Respond to the rest of my post, please.
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beloved57
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The word world in Jn 3:16 has been abused by the religious world, to make it mean everyone without exception. The word cannot be given a meaning that ultimately contradicts truth of other scripture. One of the ways the word world kosmos is used in scripture, and it doesnt mean all without exception, and far from it, Jn 12:19
19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.
Now do the Pharisees here mean the whole world[every human being] without exception ? Of course not, it would be ridiculous to think that. Now they do mean a large number of people, but even then its within the confines of the palastine region
Corresponding the World of Gods own Elect/Sheep is a large number of people out of many different regions Rev 5:9
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 7:9-10
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.
Now do the Pharisees here mean the whole world[every human being] without exception ? Of course not, it would be ridiculous to think that. Now they do mean a large number of people, but even then its within the confines of the palastine region
Corresponding the World of Gods own Elect/Sheep is a large number of people out of many different regions Rev 5:9
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 7:9-10
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Ignoring my posts won't make them go away. Please respond to the posts where I have challenged your assertions.
No, it hasn't.
Well, no, it means "the entire world," as in, all humans.
What @beloved57 means by this is actually:
"The word cannot be given a meaning that ultimately contradicts what @beloved57 wants it to mean."
Which, yes, it can, and yes, it does.
So what?
No one said it did..
Just like every word, kosmos has a sphere of meaning, the meaning of which is ALWAYS determined by the context.
There is no such thing as "the Palestine region."
As for the rest of your claim, not even the word "all" always means "all."
But it DOES have that meaning, and it IS used in scripture. Same with kosmos, it does have the meaning of "all humans," and it is used to mean that.
No such thing.
Which is NOT referring to Gentiles.
Note in verse 10:
And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.” - Revelation 5:10 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation5:10&version=NKJV
Believers in the Body of Christ are not called "priests."
Also note: No use of the word "kosmos" is found in this passage.
And? So what?
No, it hasn't.
Well, no, it means "the entire world," as in, all humans.
What @beloved57 means by this is actually:
"The word cannot be given a meaning that ultimately contradicts what @beloved57 wants it to mean."
Which, yes, it can, and yes, it does.
So what?
No one said it did..
Just like every word, kosmos has a sphere of meaning, the meaning of which is ALWAYS determined by the context.
There is no such thing as "the Palestine region."
As for the rest of your claim, not even the word "all" always means "all."
But it DOES have that meaning, and it IS used in scripture. Same with kosmos, it does have the meaning of "all humans," and it is used to mean that.
No such thing.
Which is NOT referring to Gentiles.
Note in verse 10:
And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.” - Revelation 5:10 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation5:10&version=NKJV
Believers in the Body of Christ are not called "priests."
Also note: No use of the word "kosmos" is found in this passage.
And? So what?
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