Moving to here as this is a thread about the Lord Jesus Christ becoming flesh and so it is about the Kenosis passage and a better fit for this discussion. I hope you find the move acceptable.
:nono: Not against scripture at all. The creeds were written to help steer us from doing exactly that. The Lord Jesus Christ, for example, couldn't have walked across water if He wasn't God. He was 100% and 100%. Remember me
Reading a few translations (I had always read and assumed 'creation' as given here):
| Rom 8:19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. Rom 8:20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope Rom 8:21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. Rom 8:23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. |
You are misusing that scripture. Jesus is not a mere man. Tell me, Did Jesus lie? Tell me, did Jesus repent? Tell me, did Jesus say something but then not do it? Or has Jesus spoken and then not make it good?
There are three, and the three are one and the same.
Psalm 22:22, Isaiah 8:17-18 Any of this deny the Lord Jesus Christ's humanity? :nono: Any of this deny His deity? :nono:
This all off of one verse where "emptied" is explained as taking on the form of a servant.
You really think that 99.9% of Christendom are 'afraid?'
lain: Every cult is a cult because they will not listen, not because they do! :doh: You wouldn't be a cult otherwise! Why is it that cultists always delusionall think the rest of us incredibly intelligent and godly people would be 'afraid' of cultists' information??????? :idunno: Odd that. Delusional too, mine is the position of strength, truth, scriptural substantiation, etc. etc. Even if your church is 300 strong, this is not a quorum. Especially if that "one God" is Jesus Christ! :noway: Remember PPS telling you, that you are semi- or full- arian because of your view?
If you are going to be made 'as He is' in entirety, then you'd be God of the universe. If that is where your theology wants to take you, you will definitely be going alone, not because of fear, because of being scripturally inept imho. I've no idea why you think you have the high-ground here. :nono: :idunno:
If emptied, emptied of what? Half and half doesn't make the cut in redeeming mankind. If God, who, can't ever die nor could He participate in the process, then why a man and wait four thousand years for him to accomplish when there was no need for him? The whole of the OT has your answer you refuse to acknowledge.
You just don't get it that God is after tried and tested, SONS, brought unto glory the same way Jesus, the man, was. Of Himself, God could not perform that which only a man, born of Adam's race could only do. That is why Jesus, is so special. He won the Victory.
You really think that 99.9% of Christendom are 'afraid?'
Afraid? Know anyone who is anxious to die, even Christians? Get serious. I personally don't believe you understand Jesus, the night before in Gethsemane. What was the agony of it all He went through all about except his fearing He would not be strong enough to go through what had be disclosed to Him? Fear of failing? How 'bout fear of death, the road he would have to travel completely alone as a human being?
Again, Vanity houses the fear of failure; fear of death. Rom 8:20 contains that understanding. Jesus know what vanity was all about. It was part of Adam, right? He conquered it. "If you do well, will you not be accepted". Sound familiar?
PPS is nowhere in his understanding the message the scriptures contain even with all his condescending scholarly prowess.
Given your non knowledge, why should I receive that from you? You haven't put forth anything I can amen. I don't believe you can.
Has not Jesus Christ been given a Name higher than God's own? Did not God give it to Him? Will this written of Him not come to the full summation of Who He will be in that day:
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV)
If you recall, you offered, absent anything to to think on, an Isaiah passage with regard to this I submitted to you: Hebrews 2:12-16(KJV)
"Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. 13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham._____
Question: Who do you believe His brothers will be in that day? Who will rule and reign with Jesus? Will not the whole Godhead, in that day, be His possession? Jesus, the glorified human being Who will have my brothers who followed Him to be glorified as He is?
{quote]If that is where your theology wants to take you, you will definitely be going alone, not because of fear, because of being scripturally inept imho. I've no idea why you think you have the high-ground here. :nono: :idunno: