The Walk-Away

[Crow]

For me, I went to a highly works-oriented church with abominable teachings. I wasn't saved, and didn't know what it meant. I walked away from Christianity because nearly everything I was taught about God by my fellow Christians was an easily refuted untruth, salvation by works and the expectations of miracles chief among them. I wanted to believe, but I couldn't believe a bunch of conflicting stuff.

When I finally got decent teaching, it all came together for me, and with hearing scriptures make sense, I believed.

 

[Sozo]

Originally posted by Zakath

Not at all... "I was blind, but now I see..."

I don't need to live in a universe inhabited by fairies, ghoulies, and ghosties.

Either way, eventually, you will spend an eternity with them.

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:devil: :zakath: :devil:
:flamer: :devil: :flamer:

 

[Granite]

As you pew grovelers are fond of saying to the apostates, Sozo: keep telling yourself that.

:devil:

 

[Zakath]

Profound as usual, So-slow.

 

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Sozo

The bible makes it clear that those who are believers, and are saved by grace through faith, know God and are known by Him.

Please tell us Zakath, since you "claim" to have once been a Christian, when did you know Him whom you now claim does not exist?

When did you "know", Sozo?

Give the date, time, and circumstances of your epiphany.

 

[PureX]

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Originally posted by ApologeticJedi I agree with those that say that one cannot loose one's own salvation through sin. I don't believe we were saved on the basis of our lack of sin, so it makes little sense that we could loose our salvation by sinning.

What then, is the response to the idea that people can walk away? I'm speaking of someone who aftr accepting Jesus, decides he'd rather not spend all of eternity with God. Can someone walk away from their own salvation?

"Salvation" isn't magic, it's a process. We can participate in that process, and be changed by it, or we can refuse to participate in it and not be changed. It's up to us.

 

[Ecumenicist]

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Originally posted by Dave Miller

Time for a paradigm shift. Hang on this could be a little
rough going . \\\\^^^^?////

There, shift complete.

Life begins a birth, not death. The joys of salvation;
surrendering one's self will to Christ, living in the
eternal kingdom, looking forward to eternal life,
experiencing others through the eyes of Christ, all
are experienced here and now.

If one "walks away," then one longer participates
in sharing, enjoying the fruits of salvation.

As for what happens after death, that's up to God. For
here and now, accepting the gift and living the gift means
participating in the Kingdom here and now. To walk
away is to leave the Kingdom, here and now...

Dave

Why is it that my brilliant observations are always washed
out by Sozo's nonsensical name calling banterings?

 

[Zakath]

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Originally posted by PureX

"Salvation" isn't magic, it's a process.

Not according to some Evangelicals, it isn't.

"Call upon the name of the Lord and you shall be saved!"

Push-pull, click-click, one saint that quick!

 

[Ecumenicist]

quote:
Originally posted by PureX

"Salvation" isn't magic, it's a process.


Not according to some Evangelicals, it isn't.

"Call upon the name of the Lord and you shall be saved!"

Push-pull, click-click, one saint that quick!


It can be either. Salvation is the opening of one's eyes and heart
to the Grace of God, and the greatful acceptance of this free Gift.
For some its an epiphonous moment, for others its a learning process.

 

[Sold Out]

Originally posted by Zakath
Eventually, I moved to my present position of atheism. There I will likely stay, until some deity manifests him/herself in a convincing fashion.

How about this....I'll pray that you get a 'burning bush' encounter with God. Who knows......

 

[Sold Out]

Originally posted by Crow

For me, I went to a highly works-oriented church with abominable teachings. I wasn't saved, and didn't know what it meant. I walked away from Christianity because nearly everything I was taught about God by my fellow Christians was an easily refuted untruth, salvation by works and the expectations of miracles chief among them. I wanted to believe, but I couldn't believe a bunch of conflicting stuff.

When I finally got decent teaching, it all came together for me, and with hearing scriptures make sense, I believed.

Amen.....and don't think for a second that those people who discouraged you from faith in Christ won't answer for what they did.

 

[Sold Out]

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Originally posted by Dave Miller

Time for a paradigm shift. Hang on this could be a little
rough going . \\\\^^^^?////

There, shift complete.

Life begins a birth, not death. The joys of salvation;
surrendering one's self will to Christ, living in the
eternal kingdom, looking forward to eternal life,
experiencing others through the eyes of Christ, all
are experienced here and now.

If one "walks away," then one longer participates
in sharing, enjoying the fruits of salvation.

As for what happens after death, that's up to God. For
here and now, accepting the gift and living the gift means
participating in the Kingdom here and now. To walk
away is to leave the Kingdom, here and now...

Dave

Dave, how long did it take for you to be born?

 

[Sozo]

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Originally posted by Dave Miller

Why is it that my brilliant observations are always washed
out by Sozo's nonsensical name calling banterings?

I wasn't calling anyone "names" until now, you pathetic pervert.

I'd tell you to kiss my rear, but you would jump all over that opportunity.

 

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Sold Out

How about this....I'll pray that you get a 'burning bush' encounter with God. Who knows......

Been there, done that. But, as you say, "who knows"? Perhaps, if there's a deity, he'll listen to your prayers...

 

[Gerald]

What am I bet that Sozo makes like a clam about his epiphany...?

 

[Granite]

I'll take some of that, Gerald. Place your bets, gentlemen...

 

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Gerald

What am I bet that Sozo makes like a clam about his epiphany...?

I won't take that bet.

"If a man wants to bet you that the ace of spades will spit cider in your eye, get out your hankerchief, and your wallet"

 

[Ecumenicist]

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Originally posted by Sold Out

Dave, how long did it take for you to be born?

In the flesh, I'm told it took several hours.

I the Spirit, it took several years of learning and
contemplation which culminated in an epiphonous
encounter with the Holy Spirit.

Where are you coming from here?

Dave

 

[Ecumenicist]

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Originally posted by Sozo

I wasn't calling anyone "names" until now, you pathetic pervert.

I'd tell you to kiss my rear, but you would jump all over that opportunity.

Spoken by someone who clearly knows what its like to
have "never been a Christian." Hence his ability to judge
the hearts of others.

 

[Servo]

Originally posted by granite1010

Nice analogy.:thumb:

For me it was a death in the family, then a burning experience by an abusive church...between the two of those it was enough to get me thinking. And reading. Which, from a dogmatic Christian standpoint, is NEVER a good sign.

Many people turn away because of church. But leave the church, don't turn away from God. There are many screwballs in today's churches. I rarely go to church myself, since the church is so feminized.

If I lived in Denver, I would go to Denver Bible church!